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    Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:02
Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Good, I was missing Walter. 

The circle of life...but he misses the point.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr prog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 17:38
Walter who? Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 19:35
Walter wall carpets. Stern Smile
 
Good music is good music no mater when it was made. I heard all those 70s bands in the 70s, I heard all the 80s bands in the 80s, now I want to hear 10s bands, and I'm enjoying those just as much - if you love music then you'll never stop discovering new music - those 70s bands are new to you to discover now - if we erased the dates you'd be none the wiser.
 
As to the OP - nope, I don't think it is.


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Post Options Post Options   Quote progistoomainstream Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 19:43
I'd have to say that there seems to be a fourth wave of prog on the horizon given the number of 2011 prog releases. So I am not concerned that the third wave is "dying off." And if the fourth wave doesn't take off, I'll create a fourth wave. Even if I have to edit wikipedia.
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Prog doesn't die off, the easily bored get distracted.
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I never even knew the first wave died??? Shocked..........as Dean touches on, good music is good music.....I just keep hitting the play button and spinning it all. If you learn to go with the flow its all good.
       
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Originally posted by The Miracle

. I guess it's the fourth wave now, but who cares? As long as the legacy carries on it's all good.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote darkshade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2011 at 23:39
Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Good, I was missing Walter. 


And now the arbitrary cut-off is 1983
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Jazz-rock conspiracy? Zappa and Miles played at the same festivals in the
summer of '69 right BEFORE Hot Rats AND Bitches Brew were recorded.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr prog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 00:02
Originally posted by darkshade

Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Good, I was missing Walter. 


And now the arbitrary cut-off is 1983
 
always was, but there was some crap around then still Approve


Edited by dr prog - November 20 2011 at 00:03
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 06:17
Originally posted by dr prog

Originally posted by darkshade

Originally posted by harmonium.ro

Good, I was missing Walter. 


And now the arbitrary cut-off is 1983
 
always was, but there was some crap around then still Approve

The problem with this view "Doc" is that there is no argument to be made against it. You simply stick your guns irrationally. This makes it impossible to engage with you in any meaningful way and you become a troll.
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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Originally posted by Dean

Walter wall carpets. Stern Smile
 
Good music is good music no mater when it was made. I heard all those 70s bands in the 70s, I heard all the 80s bands in the 80s, now I want to hear 10s bands, and I'm enjoying those just as much - if you love music then you'll never stop discovering new music - those 70s bands are new to you to discover now - if we erased the dates you'd be none the wiser.
 
As to the OP - nope, I don't think it is.


Quoted For Truth - there are plenty of great bands still making great music if you are willing to just spend a little time investigating and searching.  I find new stuff almost every week.

In fact, one of the problems we have today, I think, is with the advent of inexpensive, high-quality home-recording studios there are TOO many bands to sift through sometimes.  What I try to do is stay focused on the ones that have risen to the level of being signed to a label.


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^ There has never been as much music available in the entire world as there is now. It stands to reason that filtering has become considerably more important than identifying sources.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 07:19
I don't see waves.  Looking at our database, there are great prog albums from every year.  Dates are just a helpful index- nothing more.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 07:25
^ Sorta agree up to a point Rob, but you have to admit that there have been certain time periods when the marketplace was more receptive to Prog artists than others?
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Epignosis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 07:38
Originally posted by ExittheLemming

^ Sorta agree up to a point Rob, but you have to admit that there have been certain time periods when the marketplace was more receptive to Prog artists than others?


I'm not sure that's relevant.  Is prog dependent upon the marketplace?  I'd say not anymore, given the large number of free downloads and streaming websites.  The only thing missing from the 70s and 80s was the Internet in every home.

Older or more obscure bands now have a renewed shot at exposure.
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OK but exposure and free downloads don't pay the rent?
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming

OK but exposure and free downloads don't pay the rent?


Neither does raising children- but we still do it.

I think more and more bands are finally getting to make the music they want to make without commercial constraints and direction- and that is very encouraging.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote ExittheLemming Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 08:00
Yes it is encouraging and should theoretically engender more of the type of music we all profess to love on PA but I'm troubled by perhaps the only thing I ever learned from Economics: scarcity alone confers a value on anything

Did the old system (pre internet) of record deals, advances and endless touring at least result in the best rising to the top? I'm haunted by the notion that democracy in the arts leads to erm..a surfeit of mediocrity.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Snow Dog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 20 2011 at 08:11
Originally posted by ExittheLemming

Yes it is encouraging and should theoretically engender more of the type of music we all profess to love on PA but I'm troubled by perhaps the only thing I ever learned from Economics: scarcity alone confers a value on anything

Did the old system (pre internet) of record deals, advances and endless touring at least result in the best rising to the top? I'm haunted by the notion that democracy in the arts leads to erm..a surfeit of mediocrity.

I agree...but....that "mediocrity is what we are discovering now. All those bands of the seventies that never made it big. Maybe mediocrity or maybe some luck on the part of those who made it? 
Coldness doth get away with the badness.
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So, Dr. Prog, what happened in 1983 which made it impossible for any subsequent band to live up to your standards?
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