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progistoomainstream
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Topic: Subtle Musical Differences Posted: November 24 2011 at 18:45 |
Let us discuss the differences between Progressive, Experimental and Avant Garde music.
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JS19
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Posted: November 24 2011 at 18:46 |
Let's not
(It's 1am here, I'm allowed to be snarky)
Edit: Honestly though, does it really matter that much? If you enjoy the music who cares what genre it is? We're not 12 year old's arguing on youtube over what sub-sub-sub genre of metal something is. Can't we just take music for what it is and just listen to it?
Edited by JS19 - November 24 2011 at 18:55
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npjnpj
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Posted: November 25 2011 at 02:38 |
I don't want to offer any views on that topic here, because I don't know anything about it really, so that explains this question:
What is the difference between experimental and avant-garde? Sounds the same to me.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 25 2011 at 03:27 |
progistoomainstream wrote:
Let us discuss the differences between Progressive, Experimental and Avant Garde music. |
Why? Are you actually going to join in this time?
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Man With Hat
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 21:32 |
This was done before with a good result (I think).
The thread has to be around here somewhere.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 21:45 |
Experimental and avant garde are by definition progressive but Prog ain't necessarily experimental or avant garde.
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progistoomainstream
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Posted: November 26 2011 at 23:40 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
Experimental and avant garde are by definition progressive but Prog ain't necessarily experimental or avant garde.
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How is that?
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 01:36 |
You must have some ideas of your own surely? For me experimental and avant garde dispense with or eschew conventional structures and traditional forms with a view to creating 'music that has never been heard before' By way of contrast, Prog assimilates existing forms and structures to create hybrid ones innit? (Rock being perhaps the only prerequisite ingredient)
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The Truth
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 01:43 |
With a name like progistoomainstream don't you want to refrain from the incredibly mainstream act of arguing over subgenres of music?
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progistoomainstream
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 13:45 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
You must have some ideas of your own surely? For me experimental and avant garde dispense with or eschew conventional structures and traditional forms with a view to creating 'music that has never been heard before' By way of contrast, Prog assimilates existing forms and structures to create hybrid ones innit? (Rock being perhaps the only prerequisite ingredient)
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I see what you mean.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 13:56 |
Snow Dog wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
Let us discuss the differences between Progressive, Experimental and Avant Garde music. |
Why? Are you actually going to join in this time? |
Actually one of the first sensible topics I've seen launched from the dude. It's quite easy, progressive has to progress otherwise is isn't progressive and is not progressive. Experimental and Avant Garde can't be progessive by definition as they don't actually have "progressive" in their label.
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 27 2011 at 14:00
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The T
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 18:57 |
progistoomainstream wrote:
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Let us discuss the differences between Progressive, Experimental and Avant Garde music. |
Let's discuss the difference between impossible, futile, and redundant.
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progistoomainstream
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Posted: November 27 2011 at 21:11 |
The T wrote:
progistoomainstream wrote:
<font size="3" face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Let us discuss the differences between Progressive, Experimental and Avant Garde music. | Let's discuss the difference between impossible, futile, and redundant. |
Let us
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wilmon91
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Posted: November 28 2011 at 13:46 |
Those three things are aspects/characteristics the way I see it, not genres, although there is a double meaning to progressive , representing its characteristic and the bands that has come to be associated with it.
Experimental and avant-garde are aspects of progressive music, if it is not grounded in classical or jazz. Because classical is a naturally progressive genre. And jazz can also be experimental and be sort of half way between classical and jazz. I'm not sure regarding folk and world music though.
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daslaf
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Posted: December 06 2011 at 21:13 |
wilmon91 wrote:
Because classical is a naturally progressive genre. |
I have to say I don't agree with that, or do I? I don't know, there's a couple of things I'd like to say about classical... What kind of music do we refer to when we talk about classical? I would say we call classical to every form of academic music, from short instrumental pieces and song cycles to big forms are included in the genre, and as part of an academy, classical music follows a pretty stable tradition. For instance, atonal music appeared in Germany circa 1910 and gave birth to 12-tone music by 1923, but it wasn't 'till the 40's-50's that 12-tone music went from an avant-garde scenario and became part of the mainstream... so 12-tone music became some kind of genre, and we call it classical either when it had an avant-garde edge and when it became part of the academy... I guess it's the same with Progressive Rock, a lot of bands were doing progressive music in the 70's and then it became a genre, that's why I'm not so fond of most modern Prog Rock acts, bands like Beardfish or The Flower Kings are pulling of great Progressive Rock, but is it really progressive? I guess that's matter of another discussion... Anyway, classical is indeed a naturally progressive genre as rock music is... we call classical to academic music as we call rock to music with electric guitars and stuff... It's a pretty diffuse idea I have and my English domain doesn't really help to be honest, but I wanted to share some thoughts
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