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Points: 97 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2011 at 19:53
Nicely said. I wholeheartedly concur.
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In the end all that matters is do you like what you hear.  The pretentious comes from critics who like to do a weak justification for something they just don't like.
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Points: 16373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2011 at 13:03
Originally posted by cannon cannon wrote:

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"What does it feel like to be in the same room with the greatest rock singer in history?"
 
Easy ... ask the groupies ... but let me tell you that what some have said was not exactly complimentary at all!
 
And you don't want to hear a few stories from the radio station!
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Points: 514 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2011 at 12:09
No.

Why would it be more pretentious than anything else?
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Points: 16373 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2011 at 13:37
Originally posted by criticdrummer94 criticdrummer94 wrote:

I know it kinda sounds stupid but a lyric in the song It really spoke when it said and I quote "If you think that its pretentious, you've been taken for a ride." So I'm gonna ask you. How would you define pretentious and does it set with Prog music? 
 
I would say, immediately, that if you have to find out what it all means by asking, and you don't know or feel the difference, that it won't matter what anyone tells you anyway!
 
And this is specially important if you are an artist, painter, musician or writer ... because if you are asking those kinds of questions, you are not "listening" to your own inner movie that helps you create and define the next ... whatever ... in any art!
 
This is why I always say, that too many people are caught in the commercial/industrial world and they do not know who "YOU" is, and what it means ... because if you knew, you would only ask that question as a joke on a kid ... to have fun with him/her and help him/her learn the difference between the "know" and the "pretentious" or over enfatuated rock'n'roll stars!
 
One thing to remember ... he/she that knows the truth doesn't have to lie or twist words! ... he/she that has alterior motives will twist words to confuse you and make their position stronger! Like rock stars maintaining their fame!
 
You really need to see the movie "Bedazzled" with Peter Cook and Dudley Moore ... the original ... and you will learn a lot from Lee Quite Quat ... !!! trust me!


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Points: 16952 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2011 at 13:18
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Nobody ever said that to me, People said lets listen to something easier, or lighter.
Seems it sound too complex or hard to follow or dark, in some peoples ears, but actualy i dont thing many people would be thinking its pretentious, they just want something more easy for them to swallow.
Pretentious is the kind of word critics would use, not the everyday guest in your house.  

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Nobody ever said that to me, People said lets listen to something easier, or lighter.
Seems it sound too complex or hard to follow or dark, in some peoples ears, but actualy i dont thing many people would be thinking its pretentious, they just want something more easy for them to swallow.
Pretentious is the kind of word critics would use, not the everyday guest in your house.  
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As mentioned before, for the pop oriented public, progressive music (not just prog rock) sounds quite pretentious, simply because they are just looking for a nice beat and a catchy riff to dance to. They are not interested in listening to arrangements, orchestration, instrumentation, etc. So yes, they will think prog is pretentious, since they want music to dance to, not something which has been written to be listened to.
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Progressive rock is pretentious, self-indulgent, bombastic, over-blown, ego-inflated, etc. That's why I like it!
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People who are truly exploratory and love doing new things in music will naturally expand, sometimes into odd times, unconventional instrumentation, structure, and composition. If you want to call it pretentious, go ahead. Musicians will keep doing what they feel they should, with or without approval of the mainstream. This isn't just rock music. It's underground music everywhere.
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Couldn't care less as long as I like it.
 
 
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Points: 16449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2011 at 13:20
Originally posted by Canterzeuhl Canterzeuhl wrote:

Is it pretentious because we know what we're talking about?

To imagine for a moment I don't know what a time signature is, nor what a Moog sounds like and instead I enjoy a thumping backbeat to grind in a dingy club to, and I asked you what sort of music you like, I don't think you could sound like anything else other than pretentious.

Well, other than boring and unsexy.

Maybe, but thats the fault of the complete ignorance of this hypothetical person rather than the music/musicians they are calling pretentious.
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Points: 6790 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2011 at 12:07
Pretentious??  What on earth do you mean??  
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Is it pretentious because we know what we're talking about?

To imagine for a moment I don't know what a time signature is, nor what a Moog sounds like and instead I enjoy a thumping backbeat to grind in a dingy club to, and I asked you what sort of music you like, I don't think you could sound like anything else other than pretentious.

Well, other than boring and unsexy.
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Points: 13418 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2011 at 10:44
Originally posted by The Willow Farmer The Willow Farmer wrote:

Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

When we start topics on this forum called 'How To Convert People To Prog', that's pretentious.
True dat
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Originally posted by JS19 JS19 wrote:

When we start topics on this forum called 'How To Convert People To Prog', that's pretentious.
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Points: 4395 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2011 at 09:58
Correct. Complexity has absolutely 0 to do with pretentiousness.
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Points: 10183 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2011 at 09:53
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:

Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

Much of bad music is pretentious regardless of how complex it is.
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2011 at 09:20
Oh my yes!


Really though, every genre of music is to some extent so watcha gunna do?
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Points: 29625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 06 2011 at 08:51
To be into the music just because of song length or difficult time signatures really misses the point and is the definition of pretentious.  If you don't like it simply because it sounds good to you then why bother?
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