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    Posted: July 06 2005 at 09:33

So, I listen a lot to prog music but I'm not a musician myself, thus I have very limited/none knowledge of the mathematical aspects of music.

Now that that's out of the way, can someone please tell me what the four classic notes are in Pink Floyd's Shine on you Crazy Diamond? I've heard that Gilmour built most of the song out of these four notes. Would be best if you could pinpoint them in the song for me.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 09:34
*blinks* Four notes? I think you'll find there are a few mre than four notes in music...

Edit: Well now you've edited your post so it makes sense this statement's rather redundant. Never mind.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 09:56
Isn't this a reference to the 4-note-long guitar theme that first appears at about 4:00?

Dum dum dum duuumm, etc
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 10:19

Originally posted by Duncan Duncan wrote:

Isn't this a reference to the 4-note-long guitar theme that first appears at about 4:00?

Dum dum dum duuumm, etc

Of course! No particular 'significance' to those notes other then Gilmour liked them, they have become totemic and Pink Floyd being great structuralists in their composition, those notes do reappear in different guises throughout the whole oiece. However don't expect any great mathematical extrapolations a la Bartok, Beethoven or Wagnerian Leitmotifs. Just four great notes!!!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 10:32

 

Bb, F, G, E (Si bémol, Fa, Sol, Mi)

or :

---------------0---
------6------------
----------0--------
---8---------------
-------------------
-------------------  for guitarists !

Simple and beautiful tune !

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 11:30

Originally posted by Duncan Duncan wrote:

Isn't this a reference to the 4-note-long guitar theme that first appears at about 4:00?

Dum dum dum duuumm, etc

Those are simply the first notes the guitar plays in the song. Just wait until you hear a guitar, should be simple enough even for untrained musicians.

Edit: Forgot the noodling (first guitar solo) ... It's the first four notes of importance, after the noodling subsides.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 13:46
Okay, that's what I thought but now I've got it confirmed. Thanks a lot.
And I agree with you to the fullest, those four notes are excellent, as is the entire track/album.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 13:53
Those four notes also appear separatly in other songs aswell
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 14:01

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Those four notes also appear separatly in other songs aswell

But, yes i was wondering that was well. Good to know.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 06 2005 at 14:01
Shine On you crazy diamond = one of the best pieces of modern music, along with Stairway...who agrees with me  ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 03:24
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by tuxon tuxon wrote:

Those four notes also appear separatly in other songs aswell

But, yes i was wondering that was well. Good to know.

Check out the "Peel Sessions" by The Orb.

Those four notes appear in exactly the same order, on the same guitar, played by the same guitarist...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 03:44

Cool storie behind the notes,

Floyd was trying to think of new album material and had nothing, so David was jamming in the studio just randomly playing stuff, and the rest of the band liked it so they decided to keep it and each of them added stuff to Dave's "jam". Once Shine on was made and had its structure,lyrics, and all the rest of the song was made they were rehearsing, and, just like all good things in life they came across the "4 notes" accidentally.

Dave was playing as usuall with everyone else and the part with the "4 notes" was supposed to be a 4 note guitar chord. He messed it up and it accidentally played 4 sepperate notes instead of 1 chord and everyone liked it so they kept it and put it in the song and gave its own movement and named it "Syd's Theme". This was one of the movements to the song Shine On You Crazy Diamond.

Deffinettly one of those things in life that was "meant to happen" because who hasn't heard those 4 notes in their life and said to themself's "Wow, that is really cool, I like that, the Floyd sure know how to follow up a masterpiece album like Darkside."?

I know I said that after I heard it, actually for some reason I thought it was "The best way to describe life." Those 4 notes really made me think how good life was and how important it was, guess it's just that moving.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 04:00

SOYCD was the first PF song I ever heard. Except it was the Delicate Sound Of Thunder Version.

It remains, to this day, one of the finest things they ever composed. Simply a classic.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 07:04
Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Those are simply the first notes the guitar plays in the song. Just wait until you hear a guitar, should be simple enough even for untrained musicians.

The first four notes... apart from the whole of the first guitar solo!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 07 2005 at 07:19
Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by MikeEnRegalia MikeEnRegalia wrote:

Those are simply the first notes the guitar plays in the song. Just wait until you hear a guitar, should be simple enough even for untrained musicians.

The first four notes... apart from the whole of the first guitar solo!

Yeah ... I had forgotten the "noodling" ...

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