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    Posted: March 07 2015 at 07:20
Originally posted by misterprog misterprog wrote:

the system is good. I just see one limit. Too often peole give 5 stars or one star without anydeep consideration. They judge how they like an album, while they should judge the quality of the music. I know it is difficult, but I give you a sample (I checked).If a guy doen't like progressive synphonic and an album is progressive synphonic, they will get 2 or 1 stars. I would like to find a system where the judgmente that are made from people that (from the hystory) do not like the gentre, will be authomatically cancelled.If a person dislike RPI and aafter 5 rating he ha an avarage of 1,5 he cannot judge RPI anymore. Maybe extreme,,,but more fair than now....


Forget those silly ratings, and especially the rankings based upon them.  They are for forum entertainment and never-ending forum discussion fodder. Did Genesis do 2 of the top 5 prog albums ever. HAH.  Of course not. It would really be stretch to include 1 in the top 10 if one takes a long view of all teh great stuff from all over the world. It is a popularity contest, and very anglo-centric at that.

It is in the text of the reviews where the value of them is.  Find a reviewer whose style you like, whom you feel to be objective and doesn't play favorites, and roll with those.  They are out there.


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Originally posted by misterprog misterprog wrote:

the system is good. I just see one limit. Too often peole give 5 stars or one star without anydeep consideration. They judge how they like an album, while they should judge the quality of the music. I know it is difficult, but I give you a sample (I checked).If a guy doen't like progressive synphonic and an album is progressive synphonic, they will get 2 or 1 stars. I would like to find a system where the judgmente that are made from people that (from the hystory) do not like the gentre, will be authomatically cancelled.If a person dislike RPI and aafter 5 rating he ha an avarage of 1,5 he cannot judge RPI anymore. Maybe extreme,,,but more fair than now....


I get what you're saying and then again not. When we start taking away people's right to have an opinion (even when it's on an album in a genre they know nothing about), we're toiling with the very foundation of the website....and in my personal opinion turning it into something that reeks of music snobbery. Sorry, I get the intentions behind your request, but it is simply not doable. Andrey gave you the technical side of the problem in the post before mine, but the real pickle is the message such a change would implement.

Then again, any system based on ratings is bound to have flaws. None are infallible - believe me we've had this discussion before.......and anyway, the trick is to stop caring about ratings and rankings and just listen to what the reviewers (if they're any good) have to say about the music - find ones that mirror your own tastes and you're pretty much set up. Music is not a competition.


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^ Yes, we know about this problem, and yes, satisfying the proposition would be too laborious for anyone to seriously consider committing to it. Just my two cents.
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the system is good. I just see one limit. Too often peole give 5 stars or one star without anydeep consideration. They judge how they like an album, while they should judge the quality of the music. I know it is difficult, but I give you a sample (I checked).If a guy doen't like progressive synphonic and an album is progressive synphonic, they will get 2 or 1 stars. I would like to find a system where the judgmente that are made from people that (from the hystory) do not like the gentre, will be authomatically cancelled.If a person dislike RPI and aafter 5 rating he ha an avarage of 1,5 he cannot judge RPI anymore. Maybe extreme,,,but more fair than now....
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Originally posted by Marty McFly Marty McFly wrote:

Originally posted by Rune2000 Rune2000 wrote:

I've noticed a weird "bug" every time I set the Filter:By Progressive Rock Sub-Genre-setting to Symphonic Prog and click the Submit-button the results page has genres Eclectic Prog, Experimental, Post Metal, Heavy Prog, Symphonic Prog & Tech/Extreme Prog Metal all highlighted in the multiple selection field.

The results I get are alright, but it's that minor bug that made me a bit confused. Confused
It doesn't seem to reoccur if I select any of the other Sub-Genres, only Symphonic Prog! LOL

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Updated: It does the same thing with Crossover. I've selected Crossover releases from 2009 and after proceeding it, it selected five more genres for me. Three of them were Metal :-D it must be conspiracy.



It still does this for me, and it also does it when selecting Australia in the Country filter (worse there because the additional countries it selects are hidden from view - so you can alter some other parameters and press submit again, only to find yourself looking at albums from Lebanon, Mexico, Moldova and Monaco instead of just Australia.)
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I came here to try and figure out how the QWR works. Thanks MikeEnRegalia for explaining it so well back on page 3.

Picking up Keewee's question from earlier: why is there not an easy option for including Proto-Prog or Prog-Related in a query? I agree with the reasoning for not including them in the default setting, but it should be possible to select them in the filter for Sub-Genre if you're interested.

(As it happens, it can be done manually by creating a filter based on any random subgenre, clicking submit, and then editing the &ssubgenres=x part of the resulting URL to read either &ssubgenres=37 for proto or &ssubgenres=38 for related, then pressing enter/return on the keyboard instead of clicking submit - but that's pretty tiresome to have to do it that way)
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Of course he knew what he was doing - he's an attention-seeking troll.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dayvenkirq Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2013 at 15:37
^ Here's the reason why brought this up. One person has committed something, and some time later he's been explained what it is that he did. I presume that's because that first person didn't know what it is that he did. Ermm

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There is little doubt that they do. No one rates their favourite album with 5-stars and then gives every other album in the chart 1-star by accident. No one buys every fricking album by a bad they hate and then rates them each with one star on this website without knowing exactly what it is they are doing and why they are doing it. There is no reason to be apologetic for this kind of childish behaviour.

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^ I mean, some people don't seem to wholly understand the nature and consequences of their doings, you see?

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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ It has occurred to me once that some people do it unconsciously, i.e. they don't even realize it.


That must take some skills.
I don't think I could even function a computer unconsciously, let alone rate albums on PA.Wink
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^ It has occurred to me once that some people do it unconsciously, i.e. they don't even realize it.
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Smart.  You guys have figured this whole thing out, eh?  I didn't realize there are so many douchebags out there that have nothing better to do than to mess with ratings.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 09 2013 at 03:01
Rating abuse and manipulation only really gets going around here once we put a link to the chart on the fornt page menu, so hopefully not until Jan 2014.
 
 
 
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When can we expect to see the Top 100 of 2013 page?  I like to check out albums I've missed.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by berrege berrege wrote:

Hmm, this is strange. Filter by country and choose 'Belgium'. The rating 'UZED' gets is different here. Why is this?

I'm new to this site btw Wink
The QWR is calculated on the "population" - when you limit the population to a selection of the whole database (such as filtering by country or subgenre) then the QWR is calculated on the reduced population. Therefore by filtering on "Belgium" the QWR is for all belgian artists (ie 4.255) - if you filtered on RIO/Avant Prog then the QWR is 4.2674 for UZED and 4.3249 for The Cardiacs album

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Originally posted by berrege berrege wrote:

Hmm, this is strange. Filter by country and choose 'Belgium'. The rating 'UZED' gets is different here. Why is this?

I'm new to this site btw Wink
The QWR is calculated on the "population" - when you limit the population to a selection of the whole database (such as filtering by country or subgenre) then the QWR is calculated on the reduced population. Therefore by filtering on "Belgium" the QWR is for all belgian artists (ie 4.255) - if you filtered on RIO/Avant Prog then the QWR is 4.2674 for UZED and 4.3249 for The Cardiacs album

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Hmm, this is strange. Filter by country and choose 'Belgium'. The rating 'UZED' gets is different here. Why is this?

I'm new to this site btw Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2013 at 12:34
Originally posted by berrege berrege wrote:

Can someone please give me more insight into the calculation of the top 100?

For example: the album 'UZED' by 'Univers Zero' has a QWR of 4.255, 163 people have rated this album. This album does not appear in the top 100 list.  'A LITTLE MAN AND A HOUSE AND THE WHOLE WORLD WINDOW', from the band 'Cardiacs', on the other hand, has a QWR of 4.2176 (127 ratings) and possesses the 73'th place in the top 100 list. How is this possible??

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UZED has a QWR of 4.1847 for 163 ratings and resides at #102 in the "Top 100"
"A Little man...ect" has a QWR of 4.2177 and resides at #73
 
I see nothing wrong here.

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