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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2015 at 12:01
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

"You're making an assumption that there was no rock music of any kind in the 1930's "

Yes, a common assumption here on Planet Earth. I believe Rocket 88 came out in March 1951 and is regarded as the first rock and roll song by some....... R&B, really.
I thought it was still debatable when rock n' roll started. Don't we have a history of progressive evolution of the genre over time ?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2015 at 14:43
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

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Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

"</span><span style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">You're making an assumption that there was no rock music of any kind in the 1930's "</span><div style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;"><span style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">
</span><div style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;"><span style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">Yes, a common assumption here on Planet Earth. I believe Rocket 88 came out in March 1951 and is regarded as the first rock and roll song by some....... R&B, really.</span><span style="line-height: 18.2000007629395px;">
I thought it was still debatable when rock n' roll started. Don't we have a history of progressive evolution of the genre over time ?</span>


JACKIE BRENSTON & HIS DELTA CATS: "rocket 88", 1951 ...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2015 at 19:57
Love Rush .. I think of Peart us a drum God ... same as Portnoy  .. but I fully believe it was Phil Ehart (Kansas) that put the "true" rock beat in Prog music best.  Smile    ... now debate me


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2015 at 23:40
This was amazing 70's prog drumming....Pat Mastelotto, Gavin Harrison, and Bill Rieflin with King Crimson's last tour.  I saw Bruford with LTIA era KC, these guys had it nailed!  (It took three drummers to equal one Broof, and some Jamie Miur!)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2015 at 03:23
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

This was amazing 70's prog drumming....Pat Mastelotto, Gavin Harrison, and Bill Rieflin with King Crimson's last tour.  I saw Bruford with LTIA era KC, these guys had it nailed!  (It took three drummers to equal one Broof, and some Jamie Miur!)


Indeed.  Initially, I was skeptical that 3 drummers might possibly be 'gimmicky.'  But trust
was rewarded.  Their interplay, at least in the Los Angeles shows, was like telepathy and choreography.  A singular experience, as was Bruford in the '80s.  I give Fripp a lot of credit as arranger to make this trio shine.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2015 at 06:05
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Apologies that my post wasn't longer. Apparently longer posts are more correct. ;-)

"...ah-rum-pum-pum-pum."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2015 at 10:49
^Oops! I'm not a musician. Forgive me. What I meant to say was "...pah-rump-pa-pum-pum."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2015 at 12:15
RLRR LRLL

I shall commit heresy. I find Neil Peart very fast and accurate, but pretty staid. 

Compared to Ian Paice.

The 40 rudiments of drumming are here, by the way. Triple ratamacue, anyone ? (Not me ! :-) )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_rudiment

Trouble is, a LOT of kids just buy a drum kit. They learn a few rudiments and then just go thuddy thud thud thud thud thuddy crash. There are some good modern drummers to be seen here and there, but the general standard is pretty bad. 

I do hope a lot of younger musicians start to really listen to the masters of old. Buddy Rich, Gene Krupa et al. Here's something to get your ears around - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu1teeixmpw



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2015 at 12:26
So. When was the last time you saw anything like this on telly ? ;-)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2015 at 12:30
But. Favourite drummer of all time ? Got to be the late, great Joe Morello.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2015 at 12:31
Is there honestly anything else to say ? ;-)


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2015 at 12:59
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

^Oops! I'm not a musician. Forgive me. What I meant to say was "...pah-rump-pa-pum-pum."

You're not a drummer either.  It is nearly impossible to get an "m" out of a drum.  Bruford can do it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2015 at 21:22
As good? That's a tough one to qualify. How do you define good? It's too subjective for there to be an accurate answer, but one thing is common to all good musicianship: that what is played is appropriate and complements the material around it. One of the things that makes Peart do great is that despite his great creativity and inventiveness, nothing ever sounds like it doesn't fit in. Same can be said for Geddy's bass playing - busy as hell, but always perfect for the song.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2015 at 08:06
Best qualified by musicians, FallingEdge. ;-) 

Yep, Mr Peart and Mr Lee are very good indeed. However, I wouldn't classify them as "great". 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2015 at 08:42
I couldn't even begin to tell you what's happened to the cymbals and bass drums here. 
But I wants it, I wants it !!
Most of the kit seems to be Traps mesh drum based. A good thing. 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2015 at 08:45
And I actually would pull all my teeth out for this Rototom based kit......



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2015 at 08:46
^I would chop off my left leg for that
There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2015 at 09:01
Originally posted by sublime220 sublime220 wrote:

^I would chop off my left leg for that
I would chop off your left leg for that too.
...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2015 at 09:18
I'll do it first. *proceeds to bring out axe*
There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2015 at 10:38
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

^Oops! I'm not a musician. Forgive me. What I meant to say was "...pah-rump-pa-pum-pum."


You're not a drummer either.  It is nearly impossible to get an "m" out of a drum.  Bruford can do it.

"I'm not a musician."=I'm no drummer, don't you think? It is? He can (of course)? And you must be from Berwyn.
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