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UMUR 
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 Topic: Roy Estrada jailed for child abusePosted: March 03 2012 at 02:37 |
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Anybody read this?: http://www.nme.com/news/frank-zappa/62252
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JJLehto
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Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 03 2012 at 03:56 |
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Well sh*t
 It was a family member??? And he's been in trouble previously for this... What a sick f**kin b*****d |
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UMUR
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 04:49 |
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The problem is now I can never listen to The Mothers of invention and not feel just the slightest bit of disgust when his whiny vocals kick in
 and I´m a GIANT Zappa fan.
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 05:01 |
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As am I.
I know what you mean, and we can accept musicians (or athletes, celebrities) not being good people generally, but this is a different level of bad |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:14 |
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I never listened to The Mothers, and thought wow who is that incredible bass player, anyway. I can't help but think if someone I really liked did something heinous...
Edited by Slartibartfast - March 03 2012 at 06:15 |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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zappaholic
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 06:52 |
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Jeezus.
(ignore the avy for this post - there is definitely no approval here) Edited by zappaholic - March 03 2012 at 06:56 |
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Tapfret
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 16:44 |
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The lesser thinking populace and sensationalist media will certainly blame the music. Then again, Zappa stories don't really sell anymore. But what a slimeball.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: March 03 2012 at 18:57 |
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Aha! I'm not a Zappa fan so it doesn't affect the way I listen to his music. I will simply continue to not be a fan.
Still, though, this is extremely not cool at all. I cannot stand knowing that people like him exist in this world, and I've already made it my duty to protect the world from these type of people when I finish college.
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ErmaFranca
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 07:19 |
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He looks every bit the twisted f**ker in the photo. Its a sad footnote alright but he is where he belongs.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 11:47 |
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I've been a lifelong Zappa fan (especially the early Mothers) and have even met Roy Estrada, so this has been quite a shock for me. As much as I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, nothing I've read about this leaves any room for thinking "well, maybe it's not as bad as it sounds"
Anyone see the Zappa movie "Baby Snakes?". The scene with Roy and the blow-up doll has now assumed creepy proportions....  Edited by HolyMoly - March 06 2012 at 11:48 |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 11:55 |
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Has anyone else been thinking that this has been about Erik Estrada the whole time?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 12:16 |
In any case, sick thing to do. It doesn't effect my opinion of their music though.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 13:00 |
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I was rather disappointed to realize it wasn't Erik for no reason in particular other than Eric isn't a prog musician as far as I know.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 13:30 |
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The person is rather irrelevant when faced with the fact that a child has been abused in either case isn't it?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 14:09 |
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Yes.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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jammun
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 15:20 |
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Wow, just ran across this. I always thought he was a good bass player, not necessarily with The Mothers, but by the time he was playing with Beefheart (Clear Spot) and Little Feet he was more than competent. Didn't realize he was a child-molesting a****le engaged in what is probably the ultimate betrayal of trust. Assuming it's true (it's hard to wrap my brain around this) put him away for the rest of his sorry life and good riddance.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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darkshade
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 19:47 |
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I thought I commented on this already. This will not affect my Zappa listening at all, especially because most of my favorite FZ albums do not feature Roy Estrada.
Although, I will probably laugh every time I hear the end of Illinois Enema Bandit on Zappa New York: "This is for Roy Estrada, wherever you are. Wunda wunda wunda winda wuuhhhhhh!" In this case, it looks like he'll be in jail; the rest of his life. ^ or is that on Läther? Or both? It's been a while.... Edited by darkshade - March 06 2012 at 19:52 |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 19:57 |
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^^ That's on both. They're the same version (12/29/76). Maybe a slightly different mix.
Edited by HolyMoly - March 06 2012 at 19:58 |
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darkshade
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 20:11 |
OK cool. Yea, I know they have 2 different mixes, and I know Honey Don't You Want A Man Like Me has the "f**k you buddy, f**k you very much" on Lather, which is cut out on ZNY; I wasn't sure if the other quote from Illinois Enema Bandit was cut out on ZNY too. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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Man With Hat
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Posted: March 06 2012 at 20:36 |
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Well thats more than just slightly depressing.
I'll still enjoy the music though.
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Equality 7-2521 wrote: