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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 14:10 | |
Well, I still don't have a problem with unions in themselves (after all workers do need their rights) I just think it's wrong to have it mandatory to join, likewise it's wrong to have a company not allow it. Workers should have the choice to form one if they want and join if they want.
Most would not anyway, seems to be quite a strong anti union attitude these days and I understand why, my grandparents and mother were forced to join for their jobs and complained all it did was take their money for the union leaders and didn't actually do sh*t. I think it should be there for honest protection from abuse and rights but it's not as necessary as those late 1800's most liberals seem to think we live in That's good man. Good to lend any tiny bit you can. We can't just complain all the time! If I'm feeling insane enough by 2014 (and depending how things are going but I assume still in the sh*tter) I may think about it, at the very least to draw some attention. I have zero political background or insiders (except my barber) but why the hell not? My district is actually the only truly competitive one in the state (which keeps them drawn to just favor the incumbents) its a pretty moderate, middle class, ethically diverse and republican leaning district so we'll see. Maybe ripe for the revolution |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 14:14 | |
At least write letters to some newspapers and politicians...even with our less government Republican governor not a thing's been done with our outrageous property taxes. That sh*t really does choke us and hurt business.
A friend of mine, his father is paying these high taxes on property he does not even use...the business failed before the contract is up and no one will buy the land. |
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 17:17 | |
Well, that's more proof that this thread is the most useful in the entire forum. After all, which other thread has ever made members re-think things? (just try to have a DT-hater stop hating them and see what happens,,,)
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 17:29 | |
I completely agree. I just don't want unions and government mixing in any way.
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Finnforest
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 03 2007 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 16913 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 17:43 | |
ABC "news" just reported that Paul is now "angling for the VP slot on the ticket." If true, and just go with it as a hypothetical, what would you guys do with a Romney/Paul or Santorum/Paul ticket?
Does that make it palatable enough or would you still vote for Johnson? |
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The T
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Posted: March 17 2012 at 18:20 | |
^It would disappoint me. I'm sure the media outlets are doing that just to further create confusion, bury Paul's candidacy, and show the GOP as a big pile of fail where inner conflict is destroying it from within. Now, if it is true, it's disappointing. With Santorum it would be ridiculous (personal liberties?!?). With Romney a little less so but still ("let's attack Iran" ?!?). Also, it would kill libertarianism and Rand Paul forever.
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 17 2012 at 18:28 | |
Ya know Teo, I think its bullsh*t. I do not believe Paul would take the VP slot from these two. Not that it wouldn't be beneficial to the movement to have that office, it would, but I don't see Paul as the kind of guy to be #2 at this point. I think he'd run Indie before taking the VP slot.
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The T
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Posted: March 17 2012 at 18:35 | |
Not only that, but I'm not sure how it would be benefitial to the libertarian movement to be VP of a big-government, let's-invade-Iran president, when one of Paul's and libertarianism biggest points is consistency.
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Finnforest
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Posted: March 17 2012 at 18:57 | |
Oh it def could, with Paul as VP because he would insist on not being an ornament. Are you kidding? He would be damn sure to make his voice heard and actually influence the Prez and policy, esp foreign policy. I think he absolutely would. Plus it brings tons of attention to the L party. It wouldn't make things perfect to Paulites but it would serve net benefit to L principles.
But I really don't believe the stroy is true. Sounds like news hype. |
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 19:00 | |
I could see a Romney/Ron Paul ticket only because Romney has no real platform of his own and is easily swayed for political expediency. That being said, it isn't happening. Now, a Romney/Rand Paul ticket would be a real possibility. Romney would get the comfort of thinking he'll be getting Ron's voters (he won't be) while Rand would be getting a leg up on 2016.
I can't believe "Santorum/Paul" was even thrown out there. They both completely despise everything the other stands for. Santorum is just a vile troll that the party is using to get Romney the nomination. Like the good little neocon he is he will eventually drop out and hand over all of his delegates to the Mittster.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 20:07 | |
Well it requires being active. To try and force people to change beliefs is ridiculous and will always make em dig in more. I've been questioning things for a while and the talk here was able to help me sort things out. Someone who has no want to think or question themselves wont Admittedly at first I was here to be a pain and try to prove why big government liberalism is better, but still I was open minded enough to actually think about your guys' points. Also kudos to Paul himself. Just finished reading "The Revolution" and "Liberty Defined" which eliminated a lot of doubt I had. DT is a different beast. I think you could've gotten Ron Paul and Kim Jong IL to make love before changing opinions on DT Which BTW DT still has like...3 good albums (none are 5 star) and a bunch of alright to bad ones and I'll take that to my grave! Edited by JJLehto - March 17 2012 at 20:08 |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 20:16 | |
Ah, well then yeah no disagreements here. Wow, I don't know. Sounds like media talk for fun bullsh*t. Seems crazy for Paul to take a VP spot, though as you said he certainly would not be passive, and try to use it to further the message. Highly unlikely though. As it's been said Romney is a blank slate anyway but Santorum/Paul is beyond a joke! |
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 20:49 | |
If by "DT still has like.. 3 good albums" you actually meant 0 then we can agree on that, as well.
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 21:46 | |
I'm not even sure what you like man, I know Johnny Cash and that's it
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 22:21 | |
A good rule of thumb is that if the band/artist began their career after the mid-70s (unless they are named Anglagard, Beardfish, or Titan) then I probably don't enjoy them. Figures that now is the one time I need my old, last.FM based, sig. http://www.last.fm/user/manofmystery I also dislike Genesis . |
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The T
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Posted: March 17 2012 at 23:17 | |
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 17 2012 at 23:42 | |
Damn, shoulda figured you'd be one of the "old = good new = suck" people. You don't seem to have much taste for metal? Which would explain why nothing from the 90s on appeals to you God damn I can't figure out why I don't ever remember you. All I can think of is you never talked about music, while I generally only did, or you did when I was on hiatus from this place. Edited by JJLehto - March 17 2012 at 23:46 |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15783 |
Posted: March 18 2012 at 14:26 | |
I would most likely just sit on my couch election day and denounce Ron Paul as a fraud. |
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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JJLehto
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 05 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Status: Offline Points: 34550 |
Posted: March 18 2012 at 14:34 | |
If Paul, after his 30 years of bashing both parties, airing the same grievances and voting NO on like everything sold out I guess the only real option is to truly lose all faith and become 100% apathetic
I guess him running as a VP to "get the message out" to an even wider audience isn't so bad a thing, but still seems like bullsh*t. Also if he agreed to VP with Santorum I may actually bash my face in :( |
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: March 18 2012 at 14:40 | |
Equality: Bit of an overreaction but I'd be disappointed as well. I wouldn't vote for the ticket but I can understand trying to use that office to further embed your people and positions in the party. As I said earlier, as well, Romney has no positions of his own and I could fully see him coming towards Paul after the election is over (were they to win).
JJ: Metal is a sh*tstain on the prog landscape. Edited by manofmystery - March 18 2012 at 14:41 |
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