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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 15:03
Oh, when I worked at Aflac for a few months we all were required to be licensed, thus read up about all that kind of stuff. A lot of cost does go into overhead in the insurance industry, deciding who should and should not be allowed, so it makes sense to me to remove that (have everyone allowed). I also support removing the HMO system because that is a horrid clusterf**k.

It was actually a well run and responsible company and is able to provide excellent packages (sometimes with little or no screening) at crazy affordable prices. Even in a universal healthcare system I'd want secondary insurance like Aflac to exist, unregulated of course.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 15:24
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Forgot to post this when it was signed,

Private Property and Services Eliminated on Command - Order Passed by our Fearless Leader


I love completely ambiguous laws that set up the groundwork for complete totalitarian control passed because people have an irrational fear of something hiding in the shadows.


Guessing I know your answer but think Executive Orders should be done away with?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 15:36
Either that or just get rid of the Congress. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 16:07
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Either that or just get rid of the Congress. 


Well, until we got to full out anarchy I'm guessing the former will have to suffice.

I never knew Pat, you are full blown Anarchist? How long? I thought you were extreme minimalist...like llama or maybe Teo territory.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 16:16
What I meant by that is, if you want executive orders, then just go with a monarchy or dictatorship. The current system has too much friction built into it. I would prefer a Republic in the intent of the framers, but monarchs have their advantages too.

I think it's been a year now? I don't know. It feels like forever at this point. I've made so many changes throughout my life. Honestly, right now most of my political reading has been neo-marxist literature. I'm hesitant to say I'm anything since it's really more fluid than people have you believe. Every new thing you pick up every day factors into your assessment causing an amalgamation. Let's say a little over a year. I think my position as a minimal government libertarian came more from an inner denial and reluctance to abandoned once sacrosanct institutions rather than any strong intellectual reasoning.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 16:36
Understood, it's convenient to use terms but most of us don't fit into some perfect box. I'm currently going with "libertarian liberal" for myself or "efficient" or "restrained" liberal.

I agree with the generalities of limited government now, including an end to the fed and the gold standard reinstated, but deviate on certain areas and issues.

That's interesting, since "true" Marxists claim that it is pretty much anarchy. I know Catalan Spain was a collectivist/anarchist society that existed with pretty decent success. Eh like you said I don't know, terms are annoying.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 16:54
I'm not for minimal government Brian but for minimal restriction of liberty. If somehow government was the best guarantee for liberty, I wouldn't complain. Alas, history and reason show us is not the case but the opposite.

As I have repeatedly said, one offhe few areas when I'm not sure what's the best course of action, as with abortion, is with healthcare. I tend to end up siding with liberty and personal choice. But healthcare is a real complex issue.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 17:20
I agree with Teo's semantically point. Actually to go further, I don't see freedom itself as being necessarily desirable. I see it to be desirable for the human mind. I see it as the best means towards the end of obtaining such social goals as a human culture, technological advancement, and a general alleviation of scarcity as it pertains to necessities. If technology allows for an accurate socialism which would provide for the poor and retain a healthy society, then I would fully support it taking lost freedom an inconvenience (though that's not to say that I would force it upon others). I just don't see that to be the case.

Yes Brian, the labels get silly, but clearly some elements of Marxist philosophy should appeal to the private property anarchist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 17:31
I've realized that if one thing was constant throughout my life was total opposition to lose of personal liberty. I just never realized economic freedom was a good guarantee of personal one. I actually think it is one of the most, maybe the most, important values and goals. Society doesn't really have a goal. There are no macro goals or anything.

Regarding marxism, old-school marxism (is there any other?) is not too big a friend of private property. It's based on dictatorship (the proletariat one, which is really changing a sole dictator for a group). I don't see many connections here.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 17:43
Society can have goals in the same way that a political party can have goals. We just need to realize it stems from the individuals and not some abstraction conjuring these things together. I love the idea of freedom, but freedom in principle often conflicts with freedom in means. Sometimes, I think that the need for the latter can trump the idea of the former. My analysis tells me though that the means require the principle in reality. In the abstract though, I'm not a great lover of meaningless freedoms. Though, I am restrained by the fact that I would not force away the freedoms of others to obtain something even if I find it to be most desirable for others.

Marxism holds that an abolition of differences between classes will manifest with the disappearance of the State and private property. Anarchism and Marxism both espouse a revolution which will free the masses from the one overbearing yoke which breaks their necks and sucks their productivity. The two philosophy obviously disagree on the driving force though.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 17:55
^Exactly. The disappearence of the state in marxism is not really such. Their opposition to the burgueois state and the classic feudal state if we can call it that way is based on class, not really in the idea of making a governing body disappear. Their proposed dictatorship of the proletariat can't be understood in any other way but in the imposition of a ruling body, a governing group of people, hence, in a way, a state. I see tour point though.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 21:53
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 22:28
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Got 10 out of 10. Pretty easy honestly.
8/10. And I'm sure I know my Hitler, but my Santorum got me confused
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 22:34
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 23:05

^ Certainly a 70s prog connection with the look



Time always wins.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 23:22
Just like the Libertarian party: pretentious, needlessly long, out of touch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2012 at 23:53
LOL!

I was actually wondering how long it would take for you to poke your troll face in here!

Dude I have to ask...what do you believe?
I can't imagine you believing in anything so color me impressed, but I honestly am curious now.
I'd like to know why we should stay with a Fed. "Austrian economics is gay" won't cut it either.
For an entity whose job is to 'control inflation without recession' seems to have failed pretty badly there!
Edit: Of course as some here know the Fed was long supported by big bankers, which is suspicious by itself. Isn't it supposed to smooth out those business cycles? We still have had many booms and busts, just as before. From everything I gather the Federal Reserve is at best, useless. At worst, a terrible thing for the economy.


And yeah, the whole thing confuses me. I always thought "true" Marxism had anarchist implications, and what is the best example of an anarchist society was aligned with leftism and was collectivist.
All I can say is the "circle spectrum" seems to fit. The more extreme you get it just bends around, almost to complete the circle.

Collectivist and anarchist seem to almost touch each other.
Whatever, I need to read more about this stuff and my brain is on overload at the moment.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 00:06
Do I have a deadline?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 00:08
Originally posted by KoS KoS wrote:

Do I have a deadline?


LOL
Start simple if you want.
I'd honestly like a debate about this. Especially since the talk of late has been about cheese steaks.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2012 at 00:53
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Got 10 out of 10. Pretty easy honestly.


First comment I see
"The secret is to attribute the ones that sound like an educated monster to Hitler, and the dumber-sounding ones to Santorum."

How terrible is it that's true? Cry
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