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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This thread is being monitored.

I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.
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Hey whadya know?
All us "sillies" moaning about how Obama has just been George Wubya #2, and the parties are the same and civil liberties blah blah

Turns out we were right!
Shocker lol

The whole IRS thing and targeting conservative journalists was bad, but this whole data collecting thing.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

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He's not going to last much longer.
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Lets see if America's attention spans a sufficient amount of time to actually hold the President accountable for something and to care about the brutal treatment and rape of Snowden that's about to occur. 
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

WowShocked. and why did he pick Hong KongShocked


They respect free speech. They aren't in the pocket of the US. They aren't afraid of the US.

That eliminates a lot of places.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance

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They respect free speech. They aren't in the pocket of the US. They aren't afraid of the US.

That eliminates a lot of places.

But they are in the pocket of Mainland China. I mean, the mainland doesn't interfere much with Hong Kong's activities. This could sour relations fast.
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That's why I think he's (perhaps already) toast, they want to get to him before the Chinese grab him and extract other more damaging things he knows and has been exposed to.
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How much more does he really know I wonder? He was only an employee for 3 months and withholding information from the leak wouldn't grant him any strategic advantage. 
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I mean, I remember reading up on a story about google getting kicked out of Mainland China because they were accused of spying for the US government. So I think the Chinese government knows about this program and is the reason why they've been launching cyberattacks of their own. 
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This thread is being monitored.

I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.
 
Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive.
'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better.
And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large.
Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public.
And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.
 
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This thread is being monitored.

I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.
 
Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive.
'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better.
And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large.
Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public.
And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.
 

You just gave us a great reason to get rid of the State!
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Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This thread is being monitored.

I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.
 
Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive.
'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better.
And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large.
Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public.
And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.
 

You just gave us a great reason to get rid of the State!
 
Which 'State' would that be...?  
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This thread is being monitored.

I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.
 
Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive.
'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better.
And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large.
Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public.
And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.
 


Ask Bradley Manning. He won't be getting a book deal anytime soon.

Nobody is surprised that the government is spying. The sheer scope and illegality is what is troubling. Thankfully, Snowden had a conscious, no matter how inconvenient you seem to find that.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This thread is being monitored.

I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.
 
Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive.
'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better.
And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large.
Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public.
And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.
 


Ask Bradley Manning. He won't be getting a book deal anytime soon.

Nobody is surprised that the government is spying. The sheer scope and illegality is what is troubling. Thankfully, Snowden had a conscious, no matter how inconvenient you seem to find that.
 
Right....some one who conveniently develops a conscience after going into the intel 'business' knowing beforehand the nature of the beast.....please.
I'm not condoning 'illegal wiretaps' (and that depends on how one defines these things..) but it;s here to stay.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

This thread is being monitored.

I'm not surprised at all. I would expect that the government would be spying on us at all times.
 
Exactly and those that act otherwise or outraged must be a lttle naive.
'They' have always spyed on the people since they obtained the capability years and years ago. Now they just can do it better.
And as far as 'Snowden' , why go into the intel field to begin with if this kind of thing bothers your' conscience'? Certainly he must have known this was going on since it's no 'secret' within the intel community at large.
Smells more like a book deal to me than his need to 'inform' the public.
And why would anyone do anything to him after the fact (the horse has already left the barn and most people knew this junk was going on) since it would only be obvious and draw even more attention to the whle situation.
 


Ask Bradley Manning. He won't be getting a book deal anytime soon.

Nobody is surprised that the government is spying. The sheer scope and illegality is what is troubling. Thankfully, Snowden had a conscious, no matter how inconvenient you seem to find that.
 
Right....some one who conveniently develops a conscience after going into the intel 'business' knowing beforehand the nature of the beast.....please.
I'm not condoning 'illegal wiretaps' (and that depends on how one defines these things..) but it;s here to stay.

What about the development of nano-technology. Technology so powerful that it can follow and track your every breath and movement?
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Just a bit ironic that this comes right after all the fuss about China cyber-spying the US. You can't spy our people but we can and we must Confused
The new technologies are changing the rules and I doubt many people grasp what is that going to mean.
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Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

Just a bit ironic that this comes right after all the fuss about China cyber-spying the US. You can't spy our people but we can and we must Confused
The new technologies are changing the rules and I doubt many people grasp what is that going to mean.

The extent of Chinese cyber-spying is nothing compared to the infrastructure the US has built. Chinese cyber-spying is mostly relegated to domestic disturbances, which I'm frankly not supportive of, but the extent of the US spying on countries worldwide is frankly not shocking, but extremely disturbing.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Right....some one who conveniently develops a conscience after going into the intel 'business' knowing beforehand the nature of the beast.....please.
I'm not condoning 'illegal wiretaps' (and that depends on how one defines these things..) but it;s here to stay.


What exactly was he in the business of doing? You're being vague to the point of being vacuous.
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