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Posted: April 03 2012 at 07:35
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't really bother with pages containg post with a lot of embedded video. Winds me up to much.
well its easier for people who didnt heard of porcupine tree that they have videos at one place so that they can listen it way sooner than that they would go to search them on youtube.
Without any particular ranking or too much thought:
Drown With Me, Time Flies, Lightbulb Sun, Trains, Arriving Somwhere But Not Here, Sound Of Muzak, Blackest Eyes, The Rest Will Flow, Pure Narcotic (probably just for associations that come with it), Collapse The Light Into Earth :) Probably also very dependent on current mood etc. ;)
"I want you to know that you and I... are not all that different. I mean, I, too, am a neat guy. And I, too, am just a love machine." -Friends
1. The Sky Moves Sideways Phase One 2. Voyage 34 Part Phase One 3. Voyage 34 Part Phase Three 4. The Sky Moves Sideways Phase Two 5. Dark Matter 6. Anesthetize 7. Way Out Of Here 8. Arriving Somewhere But Not Here 9. Lazarus 10. My Ashes
Edited by Fox On The Rocks - July 19 2012 at 12:58
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 13:45
I never understood the attraction to Porcupine Tree. I have three of their recordings: In Absentia, The Sky Moves Sideways, and Deadwing and they didn't do much for me. I don't get where the progressiveness of this band comes into play. I mean what makes this band progressive? Where are the long improvisations, the continuing development of the songs, etc.? I mean these guys surely can't be ranked alongside of Genesis, Yes, ELP, or King Crimson IMHO. Steve Wilson seems like a good musician, but he's just not a progressive one.
Edited by Mirror Image - July 18 2012 at 13:49
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 14:21
It's interesting how no one I've spoken with can explain what makes Porcupine Tree a progressive rock band and how they even begin to compare with the heavyweights.
Edited by Mirror Image - July 18 2012 at 14:22
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 14:21
Mirror Image wrote:
I never understood the attraction to Porcupine Tree. I have three of their recordings: In Absentia, The Sky Moves Sideways, and Deadwing and they didn't do much for me. I don't get where the progressiveness of this band comes into play. I mean what makes this band progressive? Where are the long improvisations, the continuing development of the songs, etc.? I mean these guys surely can't be ranked alongside of Genesis, Yes, ELP, or King Crimson IMHO. Steve Wilson seems like a good musician, but he's just not a progressive one.
I felt exactly the same when I first heard Stupid Dream. This is supposedly 'progressive rock'??! Can't be! Was another five years before I started to change my mind. Now I own an awfull lot of SW music and wouldn't be without it. Not sure how I made that transition apart from that I was able at some point to enjoy the music without overdosing on too much analysis of what I was listening to. Eventually resistance is futile.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 14:25
richardh
I felt exactly the same when I first heard Stupid Dream. This is supposedly 'progressive rock'??! Can't be! Was another five years before I started to change my mind. Now I own an awfull lot of SW music and wouldn't be without it. Not sure how I made that transition apart from that I was able at some point to enjoy the music without overdosing on too much analysis of what I was listening to. Eventually resistance is futile.
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It's not that I'm trying to over-analyze their music, which would surely keep me from enjoying it, it's just that I fail to understand how they are often lumped in with giants like Pink Floyd, Genesis, or Yes.
It's not that I'm trying to over-analyze their music, which would surely keep me from enjoying it, it's just that I fail to understand how they are often lumped in with giants like Pink Floyd, Genesis, or Yes.
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 16:01
Fairly new to PT but already have all their studio albums, two live ones, compilation, SW solos stuff & some of his collaborations ie Balckfield , No-Man and recent Storm Corrosion.
So difficult to name tp ten as PT have wealth of classic songs IMHO
Anyway, front of mind top ten (mostly the longer anthemic songs I have to confess )
1, Radioactive Toy
2. Buying New Soul
3. Untitled
4. Dark Matter
5. Even less
6. Anesthesize
7. Trains
8. Arriving Somwehere
9. Collapse the Earth
10. What happens now
selection of honourable mentions :
Open car , The Sky Moves Sideways, I Drive the hearse, Smart kid, heart attack in a layby, Nine cats,Lazarus etc etc
I felt exactly the same when I first heard Stupid Dream. This is supposedly 'progressive rock'??! Can't be! Was another five years before I started to change my mind. Now I own an awfull lot of SW music and wouldn't be without it. Not sure how I made that transition apart from that I was able at some point to enjoy the music without overdosing on too much analysis of what I was listening to. Eventually resistance is futile.
It's not that I'm trying to over-analyze their music, which would surely keep me from enjoying it, it's just that I fail to understand how they are often lumped in with giants like Pink Floyd, Genesis, or Yes.
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Because it's good music, that's all that matters. They don't need to be groundbreaking to be compared to bands with more great material.
Though i don't understand how you don't see experimentation and all that stuff you mentioned if you listen to Sky Moves Sideways? The title tracks are quite obviously prog.
Because it's good music, that's all that matters. They don't need to be groundbreaking to be compared to bands with more great material.
Though i don't understand how you don't see experimentation and all that stuff you mentioned if you listen to Sky Moves Sideways? The title tracks are quite obviously prog.
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Posted: July 18 2012 at 18:56
Horizons wrote:
Because it's good music, that's all that matters. They don't need to be groundbreaking to be compared to bands with more great material.
Though i don't understand how you don't see experimentation and all that stuff you mentioned if you listen to Sky Moves Sideways? The title tracks are quite obviously prog.
Yeah, I suppose it's good music to somebody who isn't looking for something that's progressive. Anyway, no need to get all riled up about this as it's just my opinion. This said, I didn't say I was looking for anything groundbreaking from Porcupine Tree, because, quite frankly, they can't be groundbreaking especially compared with the early masters of prog rock. What I have a beef with is why is this band considered a progressive rock band? They've done some experimentation that sounds a lot like something Pink Floyd would have done. I do own The Sky Moves Sideways and wasn't terribly impressed. My problem with a lot of these so called "progressive" bands today is their unwillingness to be a little self-indulgent. After all, that's what the best progressive rock bands do and do well. This is what separates them from the trifle that most rock bands put out. Some may see this as a criticism but it's not, it's a compliment.
Edited by Mirror Image - July 18 2012 at 18:58
“Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.” - Sergei Rachmaninov
I'm not offended or anything by the way, just having a conversation - sorry if i come off that way. Here are some songs, i personally think are progressive. Plus i don't think anyone here thinks PT are completely prog in the sense of Yes, VdGG, TMV, etc. I think they're progressive in the way Rush are, just rock/alternative with progressive visions that differ in certain eras.
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Snow Dog wrote:
Anyway, no need to get all riled up about this as it's just my opinion. This said, I didn't say I was looking for anything groundbreaking from Porcupine Tree, because, quite frankly, they can't be groundbreaking especially compared with the early masters of prog rock. What I have a beef with is why is this band considered a progressive rock band? They've done some experimentation that sounds a lot like something Pink Floyd would have done. I do own The Sky Moves Sideways and wasn't terribly impressed. My problem with a lot of these so called "progressive" bands today is their unwillingness to be a little self-indulgent. After all, that's what the best progressive rock bands do and do well. This is what separates them from the trifle that most rock bands put out. Some may see this as a criticism but it's not, it's a compliment.