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criticdrummer94
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Topic: Musicianship: Roger Waters Posted: April 09 2012 at 19:42 |
Something new I wanna try is find out what you all think of the musicianship of certain Prog musicians. No focus on songwriting, vocals, lyrics etc just how they played their instrument. I'm starting with one Roger Waters. What do you all think of his bass playing and occasional acoustic guitar playing? I think as a bassist he was quite original at times and acoustic was kinda standard but not bad.
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Posted: April 09 2012 at 19:43 |
For me - his vocals and lyrics blow anything he's played out of the water.
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Posted: April 09 2012 at 23:12 |
He knows how to play in 7/8. Makes him a better musician than Gilmer.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 06:17 |
I think he's a solid bass player, but not spectacular. His playing suits the music he writes. His acoustic playing is adequate.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 07:59 |
For a guy who supposedly picked up the bass for the first time a year or two before Piper was recorded, I'd say he did pretty well. On the whole though, he's an adequate bassist and okay guitarist. As someone else said, his vocals and lyrics are really what made him famous, not his instrument skills (or lack thereof).
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 08:11 |
He is average.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 08:20 |
I think he and Mason sound great together in the Floyd, but I'd also say that in terms of technical skill, they are one of the least gifted rhythm sections in progressive rock. Just goes to show that technical skill isn't everything.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 08:23 |
When I think about great influencial bass players, I never think about him. The music he writes, is the music he is capable of playing, which is more than fine!
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 10:38 |
Competent seems to sum up the views here. He's much better on the vision side of things than the execution side.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 11:05 |
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He is average. |
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 11:43 |
He's certainly not the greatest bass player of all time, that's for sure, but he did also have outstanding moments. Set The controls comes immediately to mind. It was, however, his lyrical and musical visions that set him apart.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 12:06 |
HolyMoly wrote:
I think he and Mason sound great together in the Floyd, but I'd also say that in terms of technical skill, they are one of the least gifted rhythm sections in progressive rock. Just goes to show that technical skill isn't everything.
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Also shows how they differenciated (sp?) from the "actual" prog movement, Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Gentle Giant, etc.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 14:15 |
Harry Hood wrote:
He knows how to play in 7/8. Makes him a better musician than Gilmer. |
You do know that the intro to Money was played with both Roger on bass and Gilmour on guitar, don't you? That's the reason it sounds so "fat". Anyway, I do like Roger's playing, he has a very good sense of timing.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 14:39 |
Harry Hood wrote:
He knows how to play in 7/8. Makes him a better musician than Gilmer. |
Mmmmhhh!!!!.... - there are rumours that Waters might have been as weak a bassist as Mason was a technically weak drummer - both were referred as "the engineers (they met at Uni in engineering school), whereas Wright & Gilmour were referred as "the musicians" ... - The more impressive bass passages in studio floyd albums were actually played by Gilmour, such as Sheep, Have A Cigar, One Of These Days (where they both play bass at first) - I have seen pictures where it is Wright that tunes Roger's bass (granted, that was before the electronic tuners were invented, so you had to do it by ear)... But no matter these "rumours", Roger had to pull his bass parts in concerts, so he can't have been that bad either...
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I think he and Mason sound great together in the Floyd, but I'd also say that in terms of technical skill, they are one of the least gifted rhythm sections in progressive rock. Just goes to show that technical skill isn't everything. |
As Wright said (thinking of Waters, no doubt) that ideas were superior to technique
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 14:56 |
Nice thread He's a decent bass player and his guitar playing gets the job done. I think he's perfect for a band like Floyd, but if he was in Yes or Return To Forever, I don't think he could keep up with the other band members.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 15:05 |
We are talking about a bass player. Bass players dont have to be spetacular. In fact, ive never listen to a "bad bassist", the only bass player who plays bad is those who want to play more than they are capable, since you have to focus, essentialy, in harmony. So, yes, Waters doesnt disappoints.
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Posted: April 10 2012 at 17:21 |
Bass player may not have to be spectacular, but if they are, then it's a great plus. That's what makes Squire the (perhaps) favourite bass player in PA (as far as the polls I've seen go).
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 03:06 |
I think it's noteworthy that on his Amused to Death album Waters plays bass on two of the fourteen songs, and on both of them he shares the bass duties with someone else. So while he was reasonably adequate to play the bass on PF records (except the parts he left for Gilmour to perform), he clearly had no bassist ego left in the 90s. Why not get good session guys in instead.
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 07:44 |
He's certainly not a great bassist, but when I saw PF live back in 76 he held his own, including improvising (or so it seemed) some bass lines during an open section in one of the songs.
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Posted: April 11 2012 at 10:02 |
Hi,
Funny thread.
In talking to Roger, or discussing this on his website, he would be the first to tell you he doesn't give a damn if he's a good bass player or not. He's more interested in making sure it sounds right and is the right moment and expression for his piece of music!
And I think that we forget this about music ... that some music is NOT defined by scales or what you know, as much as it is by a feeling to augment/illustrate either a word or a feeling ... and it has less to do with music and its childish and metronomic nature that we start learning with, and mostly NEVER graduate from, than it does the piece itself.
Roger, I think, looks at himself as a composer and writer first ... the rest is all incidental, and if he can add to it, he will, and if not, he will get someone else to do it. But being a bass player for the sake of being a bass player ... ??? that's not Roger, never was, and never will be ... and if you think that is what determines Roger ... you're up the wrong tree!
Btw, remember that Gilmour was a guitar instructor, thus him being able to play bass or help Roger or anyone else is probably natural to him!
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