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    Posted: May 02 2012 at 21:41
Originally posted by Master of Time

 
Though sometime's Jansch's work is subtle, his innovative and influential style of fusing baroque music with folk music is extremely unique and very hard to replicate. Though the concept of fusing baroque folk has become a bit more common now he was one of the first to do it. When it comes to other guitar players (especially acoustic) you can here people on youtube doing great renditions of their songs but no one can seem to be able to replicate all of the little things Bert could do that nobody else could. You can here people on their own records that sound a lot like Steve Hackett and even McLaughlin at times but no one in my opinion can quite get Bert. 
Renbourn's middle eastern influencs and occasional use of the sitar really appeal to me personally. You can here some of his sitar work on the Pentangle song "House Carpenter" along with some of Bert's banjo. John Renbourn I think did some of his best work in the Pentangle and with Bert but with his also great solo material I suggest trying his most influential "Sir John Alot", which is his interpretations on medieval songs. Also try "The Hermit", "Ship of Fools", and his stuff with The John Renbourn Group , "The Enchanted Garden" and "A Maid in Bedlam" which more clearly show his middle eastern influences.

^ Wow. Awesome. Thanks. Will check those works out.
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There are a lot of flute players who deserve to be mentioned

  1. Thijs Van Leer (Focus)
  2. Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)
  3. Anna Homgren (Anglagärd)
  4. Peter Gabriel (Genesis)
  5. John Hackett (Steve Hackett)
  6. Ian McDonald (King Crimson - Steve Hackett)
  7. Andrew Latimer (Camel)
  8. Mel Collins (Played with everybody)
And even more  violin players:

  1. Jean Luc Ponty (Mahavishnu - Solo)
  2. David Ragsdale (Kansas)
  3. Mauro Pagani (PFM)
  4. Robby Steinhardt (Kansas)
  5. Eddie Jobson (Jethro Tull, UK, etc)
  6. Sigfried Carver (Pavlov's Dog)
  7. Lucio Fabri (PFM)
  8. Alessandro Bonetti (Deus ex Machina)
  9. Jerry Goodman (Mahavishnu Orchestra)
  10. David Cross (King Crimson)
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by Master of Time

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by Master of Time

 
Guitarists
1. Steve Howe
2. Bert Jansch
3. Steve Hackett
4. Anthony Phillips
5. John Mclaughlin
6. John Renbourn (I know it's six, but he deserves it.)

Out of curiosity: Jansch and Renbourn? Phillips above McLaughlin? How did you come to that?
Bert Jansch and John Renbourn are folk guitar players who are members of the group The Pentangle listed here under prog folk. Jacqui McShee and Danny Thompson who I also listed are from The Pentangle. Bert Jansch's solo material is also under prog folk including the two collaborations with John Renbourn they did outside of the Pentangle. Bert Jansch is in my opinion one of the greatest if not the greatest acoustic guitar player ever.
 I have a bit of a bias towards Anthony Phillips because he was the first Prog artist I heard outside of Yes that I really loved and he caused me to get into prog more thoroughly. I heard Master of Time on Last.FM and then checked out The Geese and the Ghost and was mesmerized. I then listened to Steve Hackett's Out of the Tunnel's Mouth and Beyond the Shrouded Horizon, and then finally Genesis's Selling England By the Pound. Also I haven't listened to much Mahavishnu Orchestra and mainly know McLaughlin's work through Shakti. I'm a huge fan of classical indian music and got into that before ever getting into prog.

^ Oh! Very nice.

I mean, how did you come up with Jansch above Hackett? And since Renbourn is up there, what would you recommend by him or at least tell me what acumen he possessed to get so close to McLaughlin?
Though sometime's Jansch's work is subtle, his innovative and influential style of fusing baroque music with folk music is extremely unique and very hard to replicate. Though the concept of fusing baroque folk has become a bit more common now he was one of the first to do it. When it comes to other guitar players (especially acoustic) you can here people on youtube doing great renditions of their songs but no one can seem to be able to replicate all of the little things Bert could do that nobody else could. You can here people on their own records that sound a lot like Steve Hackett and even McLaughlin at times but no one in my opinion can quite get Bert. 
Renbourn's middle eastern influencs and occasional use of the sitar really appeal to me personally. You can here some of his sitar work on the Pentangle song "House Carpenter" along with some of Bert's banjo. John Renbourn I think did some of his best work in the Pentangle and with Bert but with his also great solo material I suggest trying his most influential "Sir John Alot", which is his interpretations on medieval songs. Also try "The Hermit", "Ship of Fools", and his stuff with The John Renbourn Group , "The Enchanted Garden" and "A Maid in Bedlam" which more clearly show his middle eastern influences.


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Originally posted by Master of Time

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by Master of Time

 
Guitarists
1. Steve Howe
2. Bert Jansch
3. Steve Hackett
4. Anthony Phillips
5. John Mclaughlin
6. John Renbourn (I know it's six, but he deserves it.)

Out of curiosity: Jansch and Renbourn? Phillips above McLaughlin? How did you come to that?
Bert Jansch and John Renbourn are folk guitar players who are members of the group The Pentangle listed here under prog folk. Jacqui McShee and Danny Thompson who I also listed are from The Pentangle. Bert Jansch's solo material is also under prog folk including the two collaborations with John Renbourn they did outside of the Pentangle. Bert Jansch is in my opinion one of the greatest if not the greatest acoustic guitar player ever.
 I have a bit of a bias towards Anthony Phillips because he was the first Prog artist I heard outside of Yes that I really loved and he caused me to get into prog more thoroughly. I heard Master of Time on Last.FM and then checked out The Geese and the Ghost and was mesmerized. I then listened to Steve Hackett's Out of the Tunnel's Mouth and Beyond the Shrouded Horizon, and then finally Genesis's Selling England By the Pound. Also I haven't listened to much Mahavishnu Orchestra and mainly know McLaughlin's work through Shakti. I'm a huge fan of classical indian music and got into that before ever getting into prog.

^ Oh! Very nice.

I mean, how did you come up with Jansch above Hackett? And since Renbourn is up there, what would you recommend by him or at least tell me what acumen he possessed to get so close to McLaughlin?


Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 02 2012 at 20:54
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Originally posted by OT Räihälä

Ok then. I'm too lazy to name five, I'll give you one of each instead.

Singers

Easy, of course Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau.

Keyboard players 

This is tough. Hmm... Have to say Sviatoslav Richter.

Drummers 

I count all kinds of drums. Well, Sami Koskela is the best I know.

Guitarists 

I've always liked Timo Korhonen's playing. 

Bassists

I've heard Stefano Scodanibbio only once, but he was breath-taking.

Other instruments 


Goodness me, why are all "other instruments" bundled together? I could name umpteen brilliant clarinettists, flautists, bassoonists, cornists, trumpetists, cellists, violinists, violists, oboists, trombonists, tubists, saxophonists, well you name 'em, even harpists and accordionists... It's impossible to list only twenty, never mind five or one.
Yeah, i quite like Sviatoslav Richter. My favorite rock keys player is Jurgen Fritz (or "classical-rock" keys player, to be more exact!)
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

Originally posted by Master of Time

 
Guitarists
1. Steve Howe
2. Bert Jansch
3. Steve Hackett
4. Anthony Phillips
5. John Mclaughlin
6. John Renbourn (I know it's six, but he deserves it.)

Out of curiosity: Jansch and Renbourn? Phillips above McLaughlin? How did you come to that?
Bert Jansch and John Renbourn are folk guitar players who are members of the group The Pentangle listed here under prog folk. Jacqui McShee and Danny Thompson who I also listed are from The Pentangle. Bert Jansch's solo material is also under prog folk including the two collaborations with John Renbourn they did outside of the Pentangle. Bert Jansch is in my opinion one of the greatest if not the greatest acoustic guitar player ever.
 I have a bit of a bias towards Anthony Phillips because he was the first Prog artist I heard outside of Yes that I really loved and he caused me to get into prog more thoroughly. I heard Master of Time on Last.FM and then checked out The Geese and the Ghost and was mesmerized. I then listened to Steve Hackett's Out of the Tunnel's Mouth and Beyond the Shrouded Horizon, and then finally Genesis's Selling England By the Pound. Also I haven't listened to much Mahavishnu Orchestra and mainly know McLaughlin's work through Shakti. I'm a huge fan of classical indian music and got into that before ever getting into prog.


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Ok then. I'm too lazy to name five, I'll give you one of each instead.

Singers

Easy, of course Dietrich Fischer-Dieskau.

Keyboard players 

This is tough. Hmm... Have to say Sviatoslav Richter.

Drummers 

I count all kinds of drums. Well, Sami Koskela is the best I know.

Guitarists 

I've always liked Timo Korhonen's playing. 

Bassists

I've heard Stefano Scodanibbio only once, but he was breath-taking.

Other instruments 


Goodness me, why are all "other instruments" bundled together? I could name umpteen brilliant clarinettists, flautists, bassoonists, cornists, trumpetists, cellists, violinists, violists, oboists, trombonists, tubists, saxophonists, well you name 'em, even harpists and accordionists... It's impossible to list only twenty, never mind five or one.


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Vocals
Peter Hammill
Ella Fitzgerald
Honus Honus
Roger Wootton
Rody Walker

Keys
Thelonious Monk
Hugh Banton
Tony Banks
Scott Ross
Kevin Moore

Drums
Neil Peart
Tatsuya Yoshida
Chris Cutler
Blake Richardson
Joey Baron

Bass
Charles Mingus
Arif Mirabdolbaghi
Trevor Dunn
Percy Jones
Toby Driver

Guitars
James Hetfield
Alex Lifeson
Derek Bailey
Criss Olivia
Daniel Gildeonlow

Other
John Zorn (Sax)
Yo-Yo Ma (Cello)
Carla Kihlstedt (Violin)
Ikue Mori (Electronics)
Ono Ryoko (Flute)

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^ Mayhaps all of the above. Do as best as you can in choosing. You can say that you prefer this genre over that genre. You can compare styles and say: "Well, I like this style over that style" ... the bottom line is: do as best as you can. BTW: Hair style has nothing to do with music.

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Originally posted by prog61

Do you want to express your personal top 5 list of musicians for each instrument?

No. It doesn't make sense to compare musicians who don't play the same music. And how do you measure? By playing speed, sound volume or hair style?
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Come now,  Beatles are my favourite band of all and I still say no Beatle can be underrated.  Ringo Starr was important to the evolution of rock drumming styles but ultimately overshadowed by Bonham, Moon, Mitch Mitchell (whom I might consider underrated for someone who was part of such a popular act), etc.
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Singers

  1. Freddy Mercury
  2. Peter  Hammill
  3. Peter Gabriel
  4. Maynard James Keenan
  5. Daniel Gildenlow
  6. Honorable Mention: Anthony Green

Keyboard players 

  1. Tony  Banks
  2. Keith  Emerson
  3. Rick Wakeman
  4. Jordan Rudess
  5. Fredrik Hermansson
  6. Honorable Mention: Hugh Banton

Drummers 

  1. Gavin Harrison
  2. Billy Cobham
  3. Bill  Bruford
  4. Blake Richardson
  5. Neil Peart
  6. Honorable Mention: Guy Evans 

Guitarists 

  1. Tosin Abasi
  2. John Mclaughlin
  3. Daniel Gildenlow
  4. John Pettruci
  5. Alex Lifeson
  6. Honorable Mention: Steve Howe 

Bassists 

  1. Stanley Clarke
  2. Tony Levin
  3. Geddy Lee
  4. Juan Alderate
  5. Chris Squire
  6. Honorable Mention: Flea

Other instruments 

  1. David  Jackson (sax)
  2. Ian  Anderson (flute)
  3. Mike  Oldfield (various)
  4. Theo Travis (sax)
  5. Ian  McDonald (flute-sax)
  6. Honorable Mention: Mia Matsumiya (violin)

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George Martin has gone on record as stating that Ringo was an excellent drummer in the studio.  While his playing certainly doesn't exude chops galore, his grooves, especially on the earlier material, were rock solid.  He also influenced many drummers to play in more of a backbeat style, similiar to what Motown was doing, and away from the lighter, jazz-influenced drumming that was in style at the time.
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^ You really think The Fab Four broke it big because of Ringo? Or was it because Epstein found them?

They were nothing between the time that Epstein found them until George Martin got his hands on them in the EMI studio.

When you say "exploded" you mean "broke it big", right?


Yea, right on, that's what I meant. Not saying that Epstein wasn't an exceptional manager either. When he died The Beatles lost their way a bit and Epstein's death may have contributed to the band breaking up.

My point really is about the comment that Starr is a mediocre drummer. I wouldn't have him on my list of 50 top drummers, but to label him as mediocre is a ridiculous statement to make and borders on the naive if not ignorant thing to say about The Beatles. I grew up with The Beatles. But then if you were born around the eighties or niineties you may not understand why The Beatles were such a great band back in the sixties.
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^ You really think The Fab Four broke it big because of Ringo? Or was it because Epstein found them?

They were nothing between the time that Epstein found them until George Martin got his hands on them in the EMI studio.

When you say "exploded" you mean "broke it big", right?
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Originally posted by Dayvenkirq

^ You really think The Fab Four broke it big because of Ringo? Or was it because Epstein found them?

They were nothing between the time that Epstein found them until George Martin got his hands on them in the EMI studio.
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^ You really think The Fab Four broke it big because of Ringo? Or was it because Epstein found them?
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Ringo Starr is mediocre not underrated. Tongue

The Beatles exploded as a band when Ringo Starr replaced Pete Best.

If you think he's mediocre then he must be underrated as a drummer.
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Originally posted by Master of Time

 
Guitarists
1. Steve Howe
2. Bert Jansch
3. Steve Hackett
4. Anthony Phillips
5. John Mclaughlin
6. John Renbourn (I know it's six, but he deserves it.)

Out of curiosity: Jansch and Renbourn? Phillips above McLaughlin? How did you come to that?
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Singers
1. Jon Anderson
2. Peter Gabriel
3. Phil Lynott
4. Rikard Sjoblom
5. Annie Haslam/Jacqui McShee

Guitarists
1. Steve Howe
2. Bert Jansch
3. Steve Hackett
4. Anthony Phillips
5. John Mclaughlin
6. John Renbourn (I know it's six, but he deserves it.)

Bassists
1. Chris Squire
2. Danny Thompson
3. Victor Wooten
4. Stanley Clarke
5. Geddy Lee


Drums
1. Bill Bruford
2. Buddy Rich
3. Christian Vander
4. Phil Collins
5. Nick D'Virgillo

Keyboards
1. Patrick Moraz
2. Rick Wakeman
3. Tony Banks
4. Neal Morse
5. Ryo Okumoto

Misc.
1. Ali Akbar Khan (Sitar)
2. David Jackson (Saxophone/flute)
3. Jean Luc Ponty (Violin)


Edited by Master of Time - May 01 2012 at 23:19
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