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    Posted: May 05 2012 at 06:57

I guess there are already threads about this but a search did not return any useful results so I'm starting this new thread.

New Age is a term which frequently causes loathing among proggers, as it may be associated with those horrible ambient and muzak albums you find in shopping malls or alternative medicine stores with titles such as “The healing power of music”, “Soundscapes from the Machu Picchu” etc, frequently made by some guy with a bit of musical knowledge and one sequencer software. I despise this kind of New Age too.
 

But also some really good musicians from the classical and jazz school jumped on the train of the New Age as an opportunity to make some money making decent music in the 80's and 90's. The output of decent music in those years was scarce and I, like many others, embraced some New Age as a way of keeping listening to good music.

The artists fell mostly into 2 groups:
 

a) instrumentalists who recorded solo or soloist-oriented albums, such as William Ackerman, Alex De Grassi, Michael Hedges, Suzanne Ciani, Andy Narell, and including some which were closer to the prog scene like Rick Wakeman, Steve Hillage or Lyle Mays.

b) full bands, mostly coming from the jazz or jazz-rock scene who softened their approach to fit into the New Age field. Some names that come to mind include Scott Cossu, Lito Vitale Cuarteto, Shadowfax, Spyro Gyra or Nightnoise.

Windham Hill was of course the leading label promoting artists of this kind.

While I do not consider this kind of music as challenging and fulfilling as genuine prog or jazz-rock / fusion, some of it was really good-quality music and I can enjoy it, and it provided some welcome musical quality during the years when genuine prog was at a low point. I attended several concerts which confirmed that the musicians were really top-notch and not just ambient soundscapes builders. So even if I don't listen much to those albums lately, I keep a sweet appreciation for them.
 

I’m not going to argue for inclusion of New Age music in PA, but did other PA members also enjoy some of the “good New Age”?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 07:05
Zazen are referred to as progressive rock/new age. And it's actually really good I think! Here's an album if you want to listen:  http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Atlantis+Rising/5741076

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 07:13
You have mentioned a number of artists who I like. During the 80s, when prog became poor I went in search of ambient soundscapes and I have found in the newage what the actual prog was no longer able to give me.

Cossu, Tibbets, Hedges, de Grassi and Ackerman are still some of my fav artists and I think that artists like Lucia Hwong and Micheal Manring deserve a place on PA (if I'm not wrong Manring is already in JR/F)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 08:44
Well, maybe we should start with the beginning of it all : Brian Eno and his ambient stuff.
I will call new age ambient in the following lines. I think ambient owes a lot to electronic music, and especially german school. Best examples are Ashra and Cluster.
Coming back to the english scene, Harold Budd is another name that shoul not be overlooked. His very first album has a jazzy feel that he dropped in later albums to concentrate on electronic instruments.
You cited windham hill as a leading ambient label, but maybe ECM was and is still a serious competitor, with artists such as Bill Connors, Gary Burton, Eberhard Weber, Jan Garbarek's later works...
A lot of proggers or jazz-rockers play ambient music actually : Mike Oldfield, Anthony Phillips, Kit Watkins, Patrick O'Hearn, Mark Isham, Robert Fripp...
Ambient can be melted with pop : Talk Talk, David Sylvian, The Blue Nile, Kate Bush, Claire Hamill, Sally Oldfield, Cocteau Twins...
but also with world music : Brian Eno, Zazen, Kitaro, some bands on the excellent Equilibrium label (Dwelling, Riccardo Principe's Corde Oblique, Ion) and on the french label Prikosnovénie (XVIIe vie, Stellamara).
and dark music, we call this dark-ambient : the Equilibrium back-catologue is full of such stuff.
Fusions with folk, metal and indus are also not rare.
For nice ambient stuff I strongly recommend Clannad's 'Atlantic realm', Steve Roach's 'sigh of ages', Patrick O'hearn's 'ancient dreams', Virginia Astley's 'from gardens where we feel secure', Harold Budd & Clive Wright's 'a song for lost blossoms', Brian Eno's 'ambient 2 : the plateaux of mirrors' (with Harold Budd), Peter Maunu's 'warm sound in a gray field', Zazen's 'enlightenment', David Arkenstone's 'valley in the clouds', Vangelis & Neuronium's 'in london'.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 08:46
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Zazen are referred to as progressive rock/new age. And it's actually really good I think! Here's an album if you want to listen:  http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Atlantis+Rising/5741076
It's an Andy West project. Andy was bassist for Steve Morse's Dixie Dregs, so no wonder that is is prog-related.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 08:51
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Zazen are referred to as progressive rock/new age. And it's actually really good I think! Here's an album if you want to listen:  http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Atlantis+Rising/5741076
It's an Andy West project. Andy was bassist for Steve Morse's Dixie Dregs, so no wonder that is is prog-related.

Well there ya go! I suggested them here but it seems no one could find a place for them. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 08:53
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yes, I remember. I was surprised they were suggested for neo-prog, I would rather see them in eclectic, due to the "world" side. They certainly deserve a place here. Maybe they are still under evaluation, I don't have a clue. 'Enlightenment' is a briliant album.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 08:59
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

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yes, I remember. I was surprised they were suggested for neo-prog, I would rather see them in eclectic, due to the "world" side. They certainly deserve a place here. Maybe they are still under evaluation, I don't have a clue. 'Enlightenment' is a briliant album.

Haven't heard that one, I'm a fan of Atlantis Rising though. I'm surprised they're so obscure if one of the members was in Dixie Dregs. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 09:07
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I am myself surprised at the number of artists/bands that never got the recognition they deserved...Most of the time, it's linked to a lack of hype around their works.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 09:50
I don't really have a huge appreciation for straight-up new age music, but there are some ambient artists I do enjoy who walk the fine line, like Steve Roach, Robert Rich, and Harold Budd, and some of their material is reasonably proggy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 12:14
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Zazen are referred to as progressive rock/new age. And it's actually really good I think! Here's an album if you want to listen:  http://grooveshark.com/#!/album/Atlantis+Rising/5741076
 
Thanks I'l have a listen! BTW I didn't know Andy West was in.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 12:16
Originally posted by lucas lucas wrote:

For nice ambient stuff I strongly recommend Clannad's 'Atlantic realm', Steve Roach's 'sigh of ages', Patrick O'hearn's 'ancient dreams', Virginia Astley's 'from gardens where we feel secure', Harold Budd & Clive Wright's 'a song for lost blossoms', Brian Eno's 'ambient 2 : the plateaux of mirrors' (with Harold Budd), Peter Maunu's 'warm sound in a gray field', Zazen's 'enlightenment', David Arkenstone's 'valley in the clouds', Vangelis & Neuronium's 'in london'.
 
Don't have any of them, so much good music still to learn... Unhappy will keep the list in mind!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 12:18
The new album from Echo Us is called New Age by some.  To me, it's just a cool and interesting album.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 12:51
Originally posted by Gerinski Gerinski wrote:

I’m not going to argue for inclusion of New Age music in PA, but did other PA members also enjoy some of the “good New Age”?

Oh, yes! I think I've mentioned it twice before on the forum that I deeply enjoy listening to "The Forbidden Forest: The Impressions of George Winston", performed by The Taliesin Orchestra (which is not an actual orchestra, but a few dudes playing them synths and stuff.) ***** / *****

I'm not a huge Enya boy, but if you asked me what song by her is the best, I would say 'Aldebaran'. **** / *****

The "Heroes of Might and Magic" game series (esp. III and IV, esp. III) has some excellent new-agey classical music mostly concocted by a talented gentleman Mr. Paul Romero. ***** / *****

If you do call Vangelis a New Age composer, then it goes without saying that his Blade Runner work is an excellent soundtrack album. ***** / *****

I think that covers it on my laptop and in my memory.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 13:33
I was one of those who got into prog as it was in decline and I like many of the artists that fit under the new age umbrella: Shadowfax, Michael Hedges, Alex DeGrassi...

I think it gets a bit of a bum rap the same way Fusion got tainted by some of it's artists.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 14:10
This thread is full of names that I like, almost all these mentioned by Lucas. Kitaro is another artist that has released at least one fully prog album (Dream).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 14:22
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Thank you Luca. I still need to get more acquainted with Kitaro's music.
Also, as we were discussing about Andy West and Zazen, his Dixie Dregs mate, Steve Morse, released in the late eighties an album strongly ambient-oriented : 'high tension wires', unfortunately often despised by the die-hard prog-rock lovers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 14:49
Mike Oldfield's "The Songs of Distant Earth" is actually one of my favourite albums ever. I'm not a big fan of this genre, however. Most of it seems nice but kinda lacks the depth and freshness that I appreciate in music. Though I totally believe there are some very good ones mentioned in this thread, since I've only heard a few of them Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 15:01
What are your thoughts on Yanni?  I think I've only listened to one of his albums, once, and I come across him in concert on PBS occasionally.  I find some of it a bit of a "guilty pleasure", and some of it is just terrible.  Especially in concert he seems to "play up" to his audience.  Meaning, a band member will have a solo of some sort and he'll grin and clap and cheer on the audience.  Repulsive.  But musically I like some of it.  Not enough to pursue it, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 05 2012 at 15:04
Yup, some is great and some is dreadful......which makes it pretty much like every other genre of music.  Smile

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