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zachfive
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Posted: June 18 2012 at 23:31 |
Like many others I posted how I wasn't "feeling" this album, well 2 days later and it is begging to grow on me. One thing I really enjoy is that throughout the whole album you get glimpses of their past albums. I'll be saying this part sounds like GUP or this other part has that T4E sounds, or that this song could be on Roll the Bones. The latest one that comes to mind is a part in the eponymous track that sounds like a portion of The Twilight Zone...
Also, the whole album being a concept really helps solidify its sound. At first I was complaining that most of the songs sound to similar, but now I feel the cohesion and the all around sound they were trying to convey. I still do not think it is as good as S&A or VT, but it is Rush doing what they do best, and man oh man do I love this F-ing band.
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 11:06 |
Zune Top 100 Albums/Rock/Classic Rock (Zune genre categories are weird sometimes)
1. Rush - Clockwork Angels
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kittylovesprog
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 15:12 |
Okay, I've only listened to the album through once so this is a first impression. I'll probably post another review after a few more listens. I guess I had some expectations for this album. It's good, but I'm not floored by it in any way. It would be difficult for me to even call this album progressive in my book, especially compared to things that I've heard in the past from Rush. Now there are definitely some great moments and I got a brief amount of excitement from the song The Anarchist, which is probably one of the best things I've heard from the band in awhile. However, I feel like the sound is just an extension of S&A. I don't really think there was a clear vision musically for this album. I like it when music is built to specifically fit the concept that the lyrics are trying to get across. This album has a clear concept lyrically, but I don't think the band made any experimental adjustments in both the composing and tonality of the songs to really distinguish any one thing from another. It was just a muddled muck of over driven layered guitar and driving bass. I really feel like a song doesn't necessarily have to have a "loud" sound to really make it feel like it's flooring. I just like some variation. In this sense, even an album like Abbey Road by The Beatles, which isn't even considered to be progressive, does a better job. Although themes in songs are repeated in that album, each song at least has a truly distinct feel to it, and I like that. I am by no means a Beatles fan, but I thought it would make a good rate of comparison for the point I'm trying to convey. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good themes in CA, but in the past Rush would start a song, build up to a good theme, regress to a melodic verse, and then build up to an even better theme. I feel as if in CA, Rush builds up to a good theme rather quickly, but then fails to really introduce anything more exciting later in the song or any movements in dynamics and tone. Now I can see myself easily being able to get hooked on some of these themes in time, however I wish there was well, ....more. Each song sounds like a jam session that they recorded, and decided was decent, so then they turn whatever the hooking concept was into a song and then tack on an easy to sing, yet not really flooring melody for Ged's limited vocal range on top. This wouldn't be such a problem if Rush had a little bit more discretion over what each song was supposed to sound like. Now the lyrics have a nice amount of depth to them, especially in certain songs yet I also feel as if Neil's atheism and organized religion bashing lyrics are turning into a bit of a recycled theme here.
Anyways, comparing this album to other Rush and prog albums I'd say it's probably only a 3.5, and that's being fairly generous. I'll listen to it again and repetitively to see if I have a change of heart, but I don't think it's going to happen.
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 15:28 |
kittylovesprog wrote:
However, I feel like the sound is just an extension of S&A. It was just a muddled muck of over driven layered guitar and driving bass. I really feel like a song doesn't necessarily have to have a "loud" sound to really make it feel like it's flooring. I just like some variation. In this sense, even an album like Abbey Road by The Beatles, which isn't even considered to be progressive, does a better job. Although themes in songs are repeated in that album, each song at least has a truly distinct feel to it, and I like that. I am by no means a Beatles fan, but I thought it would make a good rate of comparison for the point I'm trying to convey. Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good themes in CA, but in the past Rush would start a song, build up to a good theme, regress to a melodic verse, and then build up to an even better theme. I feel as if in CA, Rush builds up to a good theme rather quickly, but then fails to really introduce anything more exciting later in the song or any movements in dynamics and tone. Now I can see myself easily being able to get hooked on some of these themes in time, however I wish there was well, ....more. Each song sounds like a jam session that they recorded, and decided was decent, so then they turn whatever the hooking concept was into a song and then tack on an easy to sing, yet not really flooring melody for Ged's limited vocal range on top. This wouldn't be such a problem if Rush had a little bit more discretion over what each song was supposed to sound like.
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I agree with those comments, but i want to add that they did a good progressive song at the end with "The Garden". Did they take time to work on this one more than all the others, or did they have a sudden spark of genius?
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Gerinski
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 16:59 |
Just heard the whole album for the first time.
As a first impression, it's really impressive that the guys at their age still have this energy and punch, it really rocks, it has great riffs by Alex, Geddy's bass provides a great base and Neil's drumming is as good as ever. And the production is great.
However I must say that I have trouble telling these songs from any others from their recent catalog. Maybe it's because I'm getting older bur since Test For Echo I find the songs nice to listen to but quite undistinguishable, impersonal and far from memorable, I enjoy the listen but I find it hard to tell whether I'm listening to T4E, Vapour Trails, Snakes & Arrows or Clowkork Angels, and I surely don't feel the "waw" factor.
This is a first impression tough, I need to give it more spins. And in any case don't get me wrong, I still love this music, it's just that I don't find it outstanding in any way compared to what they have already done recently.
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Catcher10
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 17:37 |
^ This is a common feeling with a band that has as large a catalog as Rush does. They have been lumped into this type of categorization...70's, 80's, 90's, 00's. We pretty much remember what we heard the last time their "new" album came out.
Last night I listened to Caress of Steel and Fly By Night.....Then listened to Side 4 (vinyl version) and it really sounded just brilliant to me.....especially to end with The Garden, which could have ended on Caress of Steel also.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 20:50 |
I think Jim said it: it sounds more Rush. And maybe your views will be coloured by whether that's what you wanted to hear. S&A was a little different, less fury and energy but more heart imo. This is so far another Rush album that I can't really complain about but probably won't get into in a big way.
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richardh
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Posted: June 21 2012 at 00:54 |
On about my 3-4th listen and its all a bit 'ho hum'. I've stopped it a couple of times before getting to the end because I've just not been bothered to listen further.A bit sad really. A band that is now running on fumes only I fear.
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Posted: June 21 2012 at 02:36 |
rogerthat wrote:
I think Jim said it: it sounds more Rush. And maybe your views will be coloured by whether that's what you wanted to hear. S&A was a little different, less fury and energy but more heart imo. This is so far another Rush album that I can't really complain about but probably won't get into in a big way. | I think the litmus test will be how the songs translate live; I wasn't a big fan of S&A when it first came out, but the songs took on a whole new level when played live. I like the new one considerably more than I did S&A & although I don't think (yet) it's a classic ( for me), I can see some of these songs will turn into monsters on stage.
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Posted: June 21 2012 at 13:11 |
Jim Garten wrote:
rogerthat wrote:
I think Jim said it: it sounds more Rush. And maybe your views will be coloured by whether that's what you wanted to hear. S&A was a little different, less fury and energy but more heart imo. This is so far another Rush album that I can't really complain about but probably won't get into in a big way. |
I think the litmus test will be how the songs translate live; I wasn't a big fan of S&A when it first came out, but the songs took on a whole new level when played live. I like the new one considerably more than I did S&A & although I don't think (yet) it's a classic (for me), I can see some of these songs will turn into monsters on stage. |
Both Caravan and BU2B are monsters live. I was blown away by both of them, which is rather impressive given the setlist of the Time Machine tour.
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rogerthat
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 11:30 |
By the way.....this thread prompted me to check out a few songs of Usher. I had somehow managed to never hear of him all this time and I was surprised to know he was so hugely successful. Thanks are order to Textbook for that slight thread derailment. It's not music I will be crazy over but I like to chill out listening to good pop singers and unless every note Usher sings is faked, he is, sorry, a far more talented singer than Geddy...imo, of course. Reminiscent of Stevie Wonder...monster riffs especially on Caught Up. Wish he sang some old school R&B though... And with that, back to Rush.
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Anthony H.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 11:33 |
Didn't think it was that great. Caravan and Headlong Flight are both fantastic, but the rest is rather boring and recycled.
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Gerinski
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 14:19 |
rogerthat wrote:
I think Jim said it: it sounds more Rush. And maybe your views will be coloured by whether that's what you wanted to hear. S&A was a little different, less fury and energy but more heart imo. This is so far another Rush album that I can't really complain about but probably won't get into in a big way. |
After 5 or 6 listens now that's how I feel, just more modern Rush, always nice to listen to but far from "waw".
I think I like S&A better too.
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Posted: July 06 2012 at 02:33 |
After giving the album more than a few listens, I think it is quite a solid NEW Rush album. It isn't the same Rush as the 70s. Think of a mix of Snakes and Arrows, with Counterparts, and a bit of Permanent Waves, with just a dash of Presto, and some tinges of Vapor Trails. That is what it sounds like to my ears. There isn't really a bad song on the thing (except for maybe Bu2b2, but it is really just an interlude rather than a standalone song) and it is actually a very solid outing for a band of their vintage.
Oh and the bass is absolutely killer on it.
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Posted: July 06 2012 at 02:38 |
Catcher10 wrote:
Zune Top 100 Albums/Rock/Classic Rock (Zune genre categories are weird sometimes)
1. Rush - Clockwork Angels |
Did I just find someone else who has a zune? Holy balls! And by the way, top notch profile picture dude, made me actually laugh out loud.
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Posted: July 07 2012 at 12:55 |
P Brox wrote:
Catcher10 wrote:
Zune Top 100 Albums/Rock/Classic Rock (Zune genre categories are weird sometimes)
1. Rush - Clockwork Angels |
Did I just find someone else who has a zune? Holy balls!
And by the way, top notch profile picture dude, made me actually laugh out loud.
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Yup....Zuner since day one, best music player ever made is the ZuneHD.......Looking forward to the new Xbox Music service. Zune Marketplace is great place to discover new music.....
Yea that's how Neal reacts when he has to disconnect his upper torso from lower to achieve his utmost playing performance......
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 00:49 |
Well I've heard it for about 30 times now, and it is really good, I haven't enjoyed one of their albums like this since Counterparts. Of course it's not their 70's stuff but it is good no doubt.
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Posted: July 08 2012 at 03:45 |
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Didn't think it was that great. Caravan and Headlong Flight are both fantastic, but the rest is rather boring and recycled.
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funny... i'm not keen on Caravan but love some of the others.
I've listened through several times now and am still enjoying it a great deal (more than S and A) but Geddy's vocals really are a bit bland/monotone on some of the songs (large parts of Caravan for example). The instrumentation throughout is still superb though.
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 18:09 |
I got this album a few weeks ago, and have been listening to it regularly, and I must say I enjoy it a lot. Before it, I had just gotten their classic albums (all the albums from 2112 up to Moving Pictures), and I'm afraid I was thinking about going no farther than that, because the rest of the albums are not considered as good, and I had felt they wouldn't be able to bring much more. I know most of you wouldn't agree with me, but even though I enjoyed all those albums pretty much, I couldn't help but feel that they were too similar between them, and as I bought them one after another, I just felt like I had heard that already. Now, Clockwork Angels felt fresher to me, something different (well, it had to be, after 30 years), and though it may sound like heresy, I belive I enjoy it more than their 70's classic albums. I really liked it's heaviness and so. Now, the thing is, given this, which other album would you recommend me to check? Some other of the 2000's albums? Or perhaps some recent live album from them? I'm wondering if they have played some of their 70's classics with the same heaviness they showed on this latest release. Oh, and by the way, I also found Geddy's voice very nice on this album. Perhaps not better then in the 70's, but no worse either (though perhaps some studio magic had something to do with that). Anyway, great album.
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Posted: January 30 2013 at 18:11 |
Anthony H. wrote:
Didn't think it was that great. Caravan and Headlong Flight are both fantastic, but the rest is rather boring and recycled.
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Yep. The title track, Garden, and Caravan are the only tracks i might listen to. Not a fan of this release.
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