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Sean Trane 
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 Posted: June 20 2012 at 06:41 |
 Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
Dean wrote:
Kotro wrote:
Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related. |
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock" |
As far as I can remember: Proto-Prog and Prog Related were already there before Art Rock was split up. Art Rock was divided into Heavy, Crossover and Eclectic Prog. |
Long before that Prog Related was split out from Art Rock if my memory serves me correctly. It's been mentioned before and it will take me forever to find the relevant quotes. Proto Prog was never part of "Art Rock" but Prog Related was. |
I tend to remember it as someone else does.... Proto and Related existed before the spilt of Art Rock
But does it matter nowadays???
infocat wrote:
One person's opinion. The following sub-genres should be axed; or made into sub-sub-genres. I foresee the following:
RIO/Avant-Prog - Rename Avant Prog. RIO is a sub-sub-genre.
Krautrock - Merge mostly into Psychedelic/Space Rock; maybe some Avant Prog.
Rock Progressivo Italiano - Merge mostly into Symphonic Prog.
Zeuhl - Merge mostly into Avant Prog.
Canterbury Scene - Split out as appropriate! This was never really a genre. As the name indicates, it was a "scene".
Indo-Prog/Raga Rock - Prog Folk? I have no idea...
Neo-Prog - Merge into Symphonic Prog and some Crossover Prog.
Interestingly enough I think having the three metal groups split as they are is appropriate.
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This is an interestting idea (one that I'd advocate, along with less restrictive genre definitions/descriptions in order to be more inclusive), but this would upset greatly some private property owners, who would have to share their gardened fences... Sadly (very sadly), that's a no-no for many!!
Edited by Sean Trane - June 20 2012 at 06:48
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Dean
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 06:58 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
Dean wrote:
Kotro wrote:
Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related. |
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock" |
As far as I can remember: Proto-Prog and Prog Related were already there before Art Rock was split up. Art Rock was divided into Heavy, Crossover and Eclectic Prog. |
Long before that Prog Related was split out from Art Rock if my memory serves me correctly. It's been mentioned before and it will take me forever to find the relevant quotes. Proto Prog was never part of "Art Rock" but Prog Related was. |
I tend to remember it as someone else does.... Proto and Related existed before the spilt of Art Rock
But does it matter nowadays??? |
Of course they existed before the split, but that's not what I said.
Before November 2005 many of the artists that were in Prog Related after that date (Peter Gabriel, 801, Alan Parsons, etc.) were in Art Rock.... in essence Prog Related was created from Art Rock.
However, it does not matter at all.
Edited by Dean - June 20 2012 at 07:31
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Sean Trane
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Prog Folk
Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 08:48 |
Dean wrote:
However, it does not matter at all.
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Indeed
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 11:00 |
Dean wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
Dean wrote:
someone_else wrote:
Dean wrote:
Kotro wrote:
Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related. |
More accurately: Art Rock was split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Prog-Related and "Not Needed on the Voyage". Proto Prog was never "Art Rock" |
As far as I can remember: Proto-Prog and Prog Related were already there before Art Rock was split up. Art Rock was divided into Heavy, Crossover and Eclectic Prog. |
Long before that Prog Related was split out from Art Rock if my memory serves me correctly. It's been mentioned before and it will take me forever to find the relevant quotes. Proto Prog was never part of "Art Rock" but Prog Related was. |
I tend to remember it as someone else does.... Proto and Related existed before the spilt of Art Rock
But does it matter nowadays??? |
Of course they existed before the split, but that's not what I said.
Before November 2005 many of the artists that were in Prog Related after that date (Peter Gabriel, 801, Alan Parsons, etc.) were in Art Rock.... in essence Prog Related was created from Art Rock.
However, it does not matter at all.
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To complement what Dean rightly said:
- In the early days of Prog, Art Rock was just another name top call the genre.
- Before Prog Related was created Art Rock was the equivalent to Prog Related, and as a fact it was like that everywhere
GEPR wrote:
The very border of progressive music in which more commercial styles of music were created at a different angle. Not quite progressive but almost.Bands |
- Then we made Art Rock Change on august 30, 2006, with this definition:
| ART ROCK
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a sub-genre “per se”, more a category; being that bands included in Art Rock
may have very few things in common other than the fact that they are all 100%
Progressive Rock.
The term Art Rock has evolved from being a synonym of Progressive Rock in the
early 70's to being considered the borderline between Progressive Rock and
mainstream in the 90's. However, the term changed again with the new century
and these are the characteristics of the bands that will be included in this
category:
- 100% Prog bands
- Bands that are beyond the limits of the sub-genre
parameters or
- Bands that have evolved through their career so
much that they crossed different sub-genres without any single sub-genre
being preeminent over the rest or
- Bands that have characteristics of two or more
different sub-genres and can’t be reasonably classified in either or
- Bands that simply are one of a kind and for that
reason can’t be included as part of any sub-genre.
The main difference with Prog-Related is that in this second category the bands
included are not career Prog bands or are simply non Prog bands that have
influenced or been influenced by the genre.
Prog Archives accepts that it’s a very generic category but we believe it is
necessary to avoid creating an endless number of sub-genres for each eclectic
band that appears.
Iván Melgar Morey - Perú |
- When Micky and Raff left the Symphonic Team, they took care of Art Rock and being that the genre was incredibly big, they asked to split it into - Crossover
- Heavy Prog
- Eclectic
That's the story of Art Rock in PA till now, and i hope we don't resurrect it, because it was always ambiguous.
Iván
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Ancient Tree
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 12:27 |
Kotro wrote:
Art Rock used to be a sub-genre on PA, but it was decided to split it into Heavy, Crossover, Ecletic, Proto-Prog and Prog-Related. |
there's your answer 
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Dean
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 12:33 |
I might just as well be talking to a brick wall.
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Icarium
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 12:41 |
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or a tree
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 13:01 |
Please Ancient Tree
Proto Prog and Prog Related are not, never were and will never be part of Art Rock.
I believe this is clear enough 
Iván
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Dean
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 13:11 |
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The Bearded Bard
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 15:49 |
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