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 Posted: June 22 2012 at 23:30 |
 dr prog wrote:
-Radioswim- wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Libor10 wrote:
Well, I had to listen to these magical 35 seconds very carefully to find out if I haven't overlooked something extra special. And you know what? No, I haven't overlooked anything. What I've been finding again and again is short (uninteresting and disturbing IMHO) intermezzo between South Side and Long Distance. Exactly what I've been thinking about "5 percent" more than twenty years. So, no change of my mind about this "gem"...
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It's what prog is all about. Rock played by jazz/classical musicians and composers. A true progger should love it. |
I think you've missed the train... let's not get into the realm of judging a proger's integrity now.
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Why not  I'm an Aussie in my 30's who never bothered with music after 1982. I just went straight to the 70s in my teens and have never looked back. I'm sure many in here have somehow been sucked into the American hard rock and metal of the 80s, 90s and 00s. I dunno how, it's crap  |
I'm an Aussie in my teens and you're full of sh*t.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 20:05 |
dr prog wrote:
-Radioswim- wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Libor10 wrote:
Well, I had to listen to these magical 35 seconds very carefully to find out if I haven't overlooked something extra special. And you know what? No, I haven't overlooked anything. What I've been finding again and again is short (uninteresting and disturbing IMHO) intermezzo between South Side and Long Distance. Exactly what I've been thinking about "5 percent" more than twenty years. So, no change of my mind about this "gem"...
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It's what prog is all about. Rock played by jazz/classical musicians and composers. A true progger should love it. |
I think you've missed the train... let's not get into the realm of judging a proger's integrity now.
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Why not |
I guess I can't stop you... It just tends to spiral any good discussion into the gutter, and quick. " I'm sure many in here have somehow been sucked into the American hard rock and metal of the 80s, 90s and 00s. I dunno how, it's crap  " well... I never got 'sucked' into anything, but I do enjoy a bit of 'American' hard rock every now and then, a little german, a little swedish and maybe some norwegen after all is done. Fact is, people listen to music becuase they get something out of it, and as cliched as the statement "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is, music taste is as subjective as any other form of art. Sure, I think a lot of it's crap as well. Why does so much of this crap give joy and hope to millions? I'm of right mind to ask, but sure as hell have no right to answer that, as if I knew. Must not be crap after all...  not to those millions anyways.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 19:54 |
To get back to the real discussion, I think Foxtrot is a much better album. Not to say that the individual songs within the album are weaker or stronger than the contender, but the albums when seen in their entirety as in a painting or sculpture, Foxtrot to me just holds up integrally as one peice.
What I mean is while fragile is succesful as an experimentation of rock and it's sounds, it is essentially that it is so experimental and arbitrarily inconsistant that is destroys itself. It's a great album with some great songs... but Foxtrot is just on a whole other level when it comes to orchestration and execution. The album's songs all belong together, not by association, but by design, even if not intentional.
All of this is obviously my opinion, and I'm opinionated. Some may prefer fragile's more provisional song flow throughout the album, I just happen to prefer Foxtrot :)
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 19:39 |
-Radioswim- wrote:
dr prog wrote:
Libor10 wrote:
Well, I had to listen to these magical 35 seconds very carefully to find out if I haven't overlooked something extra special. And you know what? No, I haven't overlooked anything. What I've been finding again and again is short (uninteresting and disturbing IMHO) intermezzo between South Side and Long Distance. Exactly what I've been thinking about "5 percent" more than twenty years. So, no change of my mind about this "gem"...
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It's what prog is all about. Rock played by jazz/classical musicians and composers. A true progger should love it. |
I think you've missed the train... let's not get into the realm of judging a proger's integrity now.
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Why not I'm an Aussie in my 30's who never bothered with music after 1982. I just went straight to the 70s in my teens and have never looked back. I'm sure many in here have somehow been sucked into the American hard rock and metal of the 80s, 90s and 00s. I dunno how, it's crap
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 19:35 |
dr prog wrote:
Libor10 wrote:
Well, I had to listen to these magical 35 seconds very carefully to find out if I haven't overlooked something extra special. And you know what? No, I haven't overlooked anything. What I've been finding again and again is short (uninteresting and disturbing IMHO) intermezzo between South Side and Long Distance. Exactly what I've been thinking about "5 percent" more than twenty years. So, no change of my mind about this "gem"...
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It's what prog is all about. Rock played by jazz/classical musicians and composers. A true progger should love it. |
I think you've missed the train... let's not get into the realm of judging a proger's integrity now.
With that being said, I personally found your response to be incredibly close minded... tell me, what exactly is a "true Progger"? Tell me what else am I suppose to like?
Edited by -Radioswim- - June 22 2012 at 19:37
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 19:33 |
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Foxtrot. One of my fav Genesis albums. Fragile is good but not one of my fav Yes albums.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 19:21 |
Libor10 wrote:
Well, I had to listen to these magical 35 seconds very carefully to find out if I haven't overlooked something extra special. And you know what? No, I haven't overlooked anything. What I've been finding again and again is short (uninteresting and disturbing IMHO) intermezzo between South Side and Long Distance. Exactly what I've been thinking about "5 percent" more than twenty years. So, no change of my mind about this "gem"...
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It's what prog is all about. Rock played by jazz/classical musicians and composers. A true progger should love it.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 16:51 |
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Five Perfect is a cool little exercise in syncopation that really should have been incorporated into another song. But I don't have a problem with it the way it is.
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Posted: June 22 2012 at 10:15 |
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Well, I had to listen to these magical 35 seconds very carefully to find out if I haven't overlooked something extra special. And you know what? No, I haven't overlooked anything. What I've been finding again and again is short (uninteresting and disturbing IMHO) intermezzo between South Side and Long Distance. Exactly what I've been thinking about "5 percent" more than twenty years. So, no change of my mind about this "gem"...
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 05:05 |
I love Five Per Cent For Nothing it shows just how creative you can be with in the 4/4 meter even if its just 38 seconds of music...
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Death seed blind man's greed Poets' starving children bleed Nothing he's got he really needs Twenty first century schizoid man. 
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 04:16 |
dr prog wrote:
5 percent is awesome |
It most certainly is 
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 03:36 |
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5 percent is awesome
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Posted: June 20 2012 at 03:22 |
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Fragile.
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 One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 22:56 |
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Actually, I realized that I rank the album Foxtrot in the third place from the end, when we talk about Gabriel's Genesis. But I admit that my opinions are somewhat different from general views on this site.
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o menel aglar elenath!
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 19:21 |
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Fragile sounds amazing even today---fresh, and original, tight ---Foxtrot sounds dated and the two great songs on it sound better on the live albums.
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 19:02 |
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Good, Fragile is catching up, didn't really expect that.
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 12:05 |
Foxtrot My first introduction into prog.
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 12:02 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I agree, Fragile IMHO is not even a Yes album because of the individual songs, some of them like
- Cans & Brahms
- We Have Heaven
- Five Percent Nothing (What can you do in 35 seconds?)
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True really. And what can you do in 35 seconds? Well, five percent OF nothing - maybe even less :-) Libor
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 04:39 |
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Fragile. Can't fully get into Genesis.
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