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    Posted: July 30 2012 at 14:08
http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-loot-with-artists-120728/

Quote Earlier this year the sentences against the Pirate Bay defendants were made final. Aside from prison sentences, they will have to pay damages to the entertainment industries, including €550,000 to several major music labels. The court awarded the damages to compensate artists and rights-holders for their losses. However, it now turns out that artists won’t see a penny of the money, as the labels have allocated it to IFPI to fund new anti-piracy campaigns.


Why am I not surprised?
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Of course, Dream Theater, to use a prog band as an example, made more money from their current tour than their album sales for A Dramatic Turn of Events, which was a top 10 album on the charts.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-loot-with-artists-120728/

Quote Earlier this year the sentences against the Pirate Bay defendants were made final. Aside from prison sentences, they will have to pay damages to the entertainment industries, including €550,000 to several major music labels. The court awarded the damages to compensate artists and rights-holders for their losses. However, it now turns out that artists won’t see a penny of the money, as the labels have allocated it to IFPI to fund new anti-piracy campaigns.


Why am I not surprised?
 
 
I want to scream and shoot people now.
 
They're going to use the money to fund anti-piracy campaigns?
 
Screw 'em. Screw 'em.

This is why I buy from smaller labels and from smaller artists like Anglagard because they deserve it and truly need the money. But really, just use Spotify for everything else.
 
Stop giving money to big labels. Go to concerts and buy merch so your favorite artists can get paid.
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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 14:23
The anti-piracy campaigns are about as affective as anti-smoking ads, for both cigarettes and marijuana. They do nothing but scare the people who don't do it anyway.

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Originally posted by Smurph Smurph wrote:

But really, just use Spotify for everything else.
 


This is not good advice. Spotify is awful for bands and artists. They see very little, if any, income from it, especially if they're not Kanye West-popular.


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Sad to see so many artists getting screwed. I am a CD collector, but at this rate the day is coming when I won't be able to buy new CDs. I do not want to pay for a download, I want to pay for the physical copy so that I have to find new and cluttered ways to store all these damn things in my basement.
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No need to debate these kind of stuff at PA, downloading not to mention hosting copyrighted material is against the law.
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The money should definitely go to poor bands that can't afford a xylophonist.
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I'd like to debate it.  I think it belongs here.  That's pretty funny.  I wonder if we've seen the end of music for music's sake.

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Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

No need to debate these kind of stuff at PA, downloading not to mention hosting copyrighted material is against the law.


No one is advocating illegal downloading.
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Originally posted by Ambient Hurricanes Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

No need to debate these kind of stuff at PA, downloading not to mention hosting copyrighted material is against the law.


No one is advocating illegal downloading.
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

The money should definitely go to poor bands that can't afford a xylophonist.

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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

 

This is not good advice. Spotify is awful for bands and artists. They see very little, if any, income from it, especially if they're not Kanye West-popular.
I use Spotify to try out bands ..then buy stuff that I wouldn't have, so from that perspective it has acted as a catalyst for sales that would otherwise never have occurred.  

I don't think I'm alone in this and it is a better model than one which is entirely down to freebie give away cds on Classic rock or Youtube clips..
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Originally posted by wjohnd wjohnd wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

 

This is not good advice. Spotify is awful for bands and artists. They see very little, if any, income from it, especially if they're not Kanye West-popular.
I use Spotify to try out bands ..then buy stuff that I wouldn't have, so from that perspective it has acted as a catalyst for sales that would otherwise never have occurred.  

I don't think I'm alone in this and it is a better model than one which is entirely down to freebie give away cds on Classic rock or Youtube clips..


Don't get me wrong, I'll do that from time to time as well, but I know that plenty of people take advantage of Spotify and YouTube for music, and don't bother buying it. I started a thread a couple of months ago about how most young people in this day and age do not buy music anymore, and that's always where a large percentage of music sales has come from in the past.
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Points: 29625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 30 2012 at 16:12
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:



Why am I not surprised?

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This is a wrong as the illegal downloading. Angry
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Of course, Dream Theater, to use a prog band as an example, made more money from their current tour than their album sales for A Dramatic Turn of Events, which was a top 10 album on the charts.

Well that's pretty much how it's always been, for the most part. If a million people buy a $10 album, even "way back," a large chunk of that goes to the label. If half the people who bought the album went to one concert for tickets at say $30, well, you do the math. It's a helluva lot more money to begin with, and obviously much of it goes to expenses, but tours are what truly make a band money. If you can put on a great show, which DT sure as hell can, you'll make it just fine as a band. Well, to a degree.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

 

Don't get me wrong, I'll do that from time to time as well, but I know that plenty of people take advantage of Spotify and YouTube for music, and don't bother buying it. I started a thread a couple of months ago about how most young people in this day and age do not buy music anymore, and that's always where a large percentage of music sales has come from in the past.
aye but us old guys are making up for it :)

I don't know about anyone else but as a teenager I could only afford a new album every second month or so, so I'm not sure how much I contributed to a band's wealth even then.
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Hey, I figured out why.  Musicians have already been damaged by the music industry.  Illegal downloading is just more of an insult. LOL
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Originally posted by wjohnd wjohnd wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

 

Don't get me wrong, I'll do that from time to time as well, but I know that plenty of people take advantage of Spotify and YouTube for music, and don't bother buying it. I started a thread a couple of months ago about how most young people in this day and age do not buy music anymore, and that's always where a large percentage of music sales has come from in the past.
aye but us old guys are making up for it :)

I don't know about anyone else but as a teenager I could only afford a new album every second month or so, so I'm not sure how much I contributed to a band's wealth even then.



Well, that one album bought is pretty much out the window with most kids as they don't see a need to worry about saving money for an album, what with illegal downloading now.

Besides, when I say 'young people', I mean anyone 16-30, old enough to work and have some disposable income to use on CDs (or vinyl) for their favorite bands.
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Almost no musicians were suing anyone. It was done on behalf of the labels. Anyone who thought it was going to the artists before the labels is a damned fool.
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