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    Posted: November 30 2013 at 16:18
They say that the invention of the microphone changed music forever, and a new style of singing evolved that wasn't possible before. Guys like Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra, the crooners, etc couldn't have done what they did before the microphone. Before that, tunes had to be belted out. Sing softly and no one would hear you - that is, until the microphone changed all that.

Likewise, Jimi Hendrix, Eric Clapton, etc and technology revolutionized music again after 1970. By 1975, the change was complete. The heavy, distorted guitar sound was here to stay. Early, classic prog was not dependent on that sound. Use of distortion was sporadic before Hendrix. So classic prog was going to have to reinvent itself, which it eventually did, to incorporated that sound or listeners would disappear.  Classic prog faded. Any acoustic popular music was threatened. Also Motown, crooners, anything too 60's sounding, other styles. Jazz went through changes that were gut renting to the old guard.   - After 1975, nothing was as it was in the music industry. Technology had struck again. 

Thankfully though - the democratization of the recording and distribution process today has kept all music styles alive to some extent. Classic prog lives on.....


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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink


Ever get tired of being right all the time.

I'm not celebrating yet, we'll see in a hundred years just how right I am LOL
 
If in a hundred years classical music or classic prog already faded away, nobody is here anymore to tell the story...
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Nature's forever changing behavior applies to everything. That's why I hope, for the EXISTENCE of human being, that applies as "permanent waves" (not the Rush's album hahaha), somewhat like sea waves coming and going... like a journey between YING and YAN, because Classical Music is deeply related to the way our brain cells behave.



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Facts of life: Everything fades away, everything is temporal, nothing is permanent. Classical music itself is only a mere few hundred years old. I have a tree out back that's older than Bach. If aliens arrived and tried to appreciate, say, Genesis or Yes, it would probably sound to them like whale songs or bird chirpings do to us. Human music is related to human language, it's why no other animal on earth is into Floyd, & why none of us go gaga over bird whistles.



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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink


Ever get tired of being right all the time.

I'm not celebrating yet, we'll see in a hundred years just how right I am LOL


Oh come on. Do a little shuffle dance to celebrate. You've earned it.
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink


Ever get tired of being right all the time.

I'm not celebrating yet, we'll see in a hundred years just how right I am LOL
I'm using the chicken to measure it.
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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink


Ever get tired of being right all the time.
Threshold still have all the goods that makes them one of the best classic rock/Prog metal bands in the world. 2014's For The Journey is worth a serious listen.
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I agree with the comment that it is an illusion. What appears to be faded progressive rock is an entirely different genre called indie.  
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While we are on the topic of celebrating good prog, this album has been blowing my mind into mincemeat for the past couple of months, and its not stopping...many will know this well already, but those that don't...give it a go man

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The.Crimson.King Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 27 2013 at 15:18
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...


I think it's entirely possible since prog (like classical) is more harmonically and structurally complex than ritual dance music or disposable pop Wink
I'm using the chicken to measure it.
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Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...



I like this attitude. and F.Y.I I love Pink Floyd's PULSE live album as well.
One of 1994's finest.
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Weeping Elf, you are absolutely right.  Here goes another two examples of that:
Steve Hackett - A Midsummer Night's Dream
Steve Hackett - Metamorpheus
 
With the exception that these ones are much more Classical like.


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Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...



Progressive rock certainly has its classics, especially, but not only, from the classic era.  Close to the Edge probably belongs to the finest pieces of music created in the late 20th century, on a par with John Coltrane's A Love Supreme, and better than most of the postserialist brainfartery that many "classical" composers produced at that time.

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NO doubt at all ! Classic Prog, in some way like Classical Music, will NEVER fade away...

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Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:


Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:

In any case, Classic Prog rock maybe dead for a lot of people but not for I.
Myself, I still relish in the classics like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Camel, Asia Minor and Pink Floyd of course. :)

Then again, I am very young and I've only been listening to Prog for 17 years while some even here on PA are close to 40 years. I am curious to see how I will feel about Genesis and the latter of other great Prog classic artist in say....20 years?

Let the fading begin? I won't hold my breath. Lol

Don't hold your breath Nick!  I've been into prog since '75 and still listen to those 1st few albums that hooked me up...Brain Salad Surgery, Close to the Edge, Relayer, Minstrel in the Gallery, Starless and Bible Black, Nursery Cryme, H to He, Mirage, Meddle, Free Hand...they still get a spot in the rotation from time to time Thumbs Up


My dear friend, at this point in my youth I cannot imagine such classics, as you mentioned above, ever getting stale or ignored with in my Prog brain....especially that Moonmadness. Come on...I think that album may never die for me. ;)
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Originally posted by progbethyname progbethyname wrote:


In any case, Classic Prog rock maybe dead for a lot of people but not for I.
Myself, I still relish in the classics like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Camel, Asia Minor and Pink Floyd of course. :)

Then again, I am very young and I've only been listening to Prog for 17 years while some even here on PA are close to 40 years. I am curious to see how I will feel about Genesis and the latter of other great Prog classic artist in say....20 years?

Let the fading begin? I won't hold my breath. Lol

Don't hold your breath Nick!  I've been into prog since '75 and still listen to those 1st few albums that hooked me up...Brain Salad Surgery, Close to the Edge, Relayer, Minstrel in the Gallery, Starless and Bible Black, Nursery Cryme, H to He, Mirage, Meddle, Free Hand...they still get a spot in the rotation from time to time Thumbs Up
I'm using the chicken to measure it.
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Well, at least it wasn't a full year! Boy that would have been torture.
In any case, Classic Prog rock maybe dead for a lot of people but not for I.
Myself, I still relish in the classics like Yes, Genesis, King Crimson, Camel, Asia Minor and Pink Floyd of course. :)

Then again, I am very young and I've only been listening to Prog for 17 years while some even here on PA are close to 40 years. I am curious to see how I will feel about Genesis and the latter of other great Prog classic artist in say....20 years?

Let the fading begin? I won't hold my breath. Lol
Threshold still have all the goods that makes them one of the best classic rock/Prog metal bands in the world. 2014's For The Journey is worth a serious listen.
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Finally.

It took 11 months, but finally people agree with me.


Right... 


...Next!


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^^ what an agreeable thread! Oh what the hell....I agree too!
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

Quote from somebody: the generation that really liked it were no longer the target audience of the record companies

I think this is the synhtesis of the whole thread. There was no bandcamp in the 80s and only the bigs were in condition to self-produce their albums.
I agreed.


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