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Poll Question: From which album is Van der Graaf Generator work unacceptable for you?
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    Posted: December 26 2016 at 08:21
It's hard to talk about "decline" when discussing a band which released far less albums than their contemporaries: they released 13 albums in a time span of 47 years, with an interruption of 28 years between The Quiet Zone... and Present.
It's not exactly like they overdid themselves and repeated the same album for 15 years or started making radio-friendly stuff in the 80's...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2016 at 18:26
What is this "decline" you speak of? The very feeling of that word coming out of my mouth in the same sentence as VDGG makes me want to defecate.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 21 2016 at 12:53
I don't believe in VDGG decline. All they albums are fine - everyone of them has it's own taste.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2016 at 11:20
That's deep. Get outa' here!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 17 2016 at 08:03
after H to He which was their last, well...only 5 star classic album

so it would be....Pawn Hearts... specifically...2nd side.. 2nd half

they never recovered from that...  when they discovered 'prog for prog's sake'. Unlistenable sh*t!!! 

One of the greatest sins of prog. tsk tsk.... and thus they became the fathers (beating Dull by a few years) of 'Mediocre prog' where the imagery and complexity and all that prog jive cease to augment creative music.. but serve as a replacement for it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2016 at 12:01
World Record????? Really? That's their best album!
Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2016 at 08:30
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

decline? what decline?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2016 at 07:45
This band is a monumental waste of time and an insult to life itself.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 16 2016 at 02:20
^ Eloquently said, Jean.
No decline.
Alt is fine, reminds of the 70's for some reason.
Do Not Disturb - indeed, 5 star. Magnificent !!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2016 at 23:35
sorry, but  I hear no decline.

"Present" is often not liked because of the second disc, but I just love those improvisations. and the first disc should be absolutely on par for every friend of VdGG. they even throw in some humor (oh the self-irony of "Abandon Ship!"), which is quite unusual for them.

of course "ALT" is a very different album by Van der Graaf Generator. VdGG without vocals!  but it just shows how experimental the band still is. some people may not like this kind of experiments though, but you can definitely not speak of a decline.

"World Record" is one of my favorite albums by them; the only song I'm not so fond of is "Wondering" (though on the live album "Real Time" it is the perfect closer).

"Trisector" is severely underrated, maybe because of the shorter songs. but these shorter songs are nevertheless very complex (just listen to "Interference Patterns").

their latest album "Do Not Disturb" is a five-star album in my book. everyone should have it. again some humor here; "Alfa Berlina" is perhaps even more self-ironic than "Abandon Ship!".

this so-called "decline" is only in the ears of those who want them to repeat themselves, which they firmly reject. those with open ears will welcome their later oeuvre.

so once again: decline? what decline?


Edited by BaldJean - December 16 2016 at 08:03


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2015 at 08:21
A Grounding In Numbers is such a great album - full of complex little details and above all, a lot of it is great fun. I don't understand the dislike of the album.
'Alt' is a weird one. Listenable, interesting in parts, some potential there, had they developed and worked on certain pieces.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2015 at 03:17
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

One of two well known 70s bands I just cannot get into at all (the other is King Crimson).

I quite like some of the music but, like Dream Theater, it's the vocals that kill it for me.
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

A band that I have heard from their very beginnings and have never liked at all.

The reasons are simple: Hamill's vocals and their dark compositions.
You feel strongly about not liking them. 

Just curious: Is darkness/dark compositions in music something you choose to avoid? - If you do is it because darkness doesn't anything for you or because it has an emotional effect that you don't enjoy (drags you down... changes your mood...)? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2015 at 02:04
The Beginning of Van der Graaf Generator Decline?

From which album is Van der Graaf Generator work unacceptable for you?

Two different questions. Plus, to answer the first one: depends on whom you ask.

The beginning of the decline for me: Godbluff. And I find more than one album on the list unacceptable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2015 at 22:58
Real Time/Present



The ending of VdGG decline.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2015 at 19:28
Don't really like Still Life...it's okay but compared to the 3 prior masterpieces it's pretty weak.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2015 at 19:09
World Record was much weaker than all the previous pH/VdGG releases from 1970 onwards.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2015 at 18:37
No decline...love them all Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2015 at 18:05
A band that I have heard from their very beginnings and have never liked at all.

The reasons are simple: Hamill's vocals and their dark compositions.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2015 at 16:20
Pleasure dome is great. Their decline was when they got back together in the 90s

Edited by dr prog - January 16 2015 at 16:21
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 16 2015 at 13:37
What is Time Vaults doing here? Its just a collection of outtakes and stuff recorded 1972-1975 and not a real album. Nothing here is unacceptable of course, but I don't care as much for any of their recordings post The Quiet Zone/Pleasure Dome (which I consider a New-Wave masterpiece) as I do for their nearly flawless 70's discography. No vote I guess.
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