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Poll Question: Who is your favorite "second tier" prog band?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 03:00
Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Happy the Man from the list, Saga and Banco as well.  Not mentioned: Morgan.
Morgan weren't mentioned because they aren't second tier. THey might not even be third tier. Geez, if I included them I'd have to include A LOT of other bands including Greenslade, Fruupp and Curved Air just to mention a few.One band who I really should have included was Triumvirat. Oh well.

Those who want to see a big list of old bands and albums from the seventies go here www.progressiverock.com
Oh you wanna play hardball--  Gentle Giant second tier?  Bullsh*t; they're often mentioned in the same breath as ELP and Genesis.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 03:12
Marillion, followed by PFM/Banco, Kansas and Soft Machine (then Camel, VDGG ....)
Not sure that Marillion or VDGG are second tier? Mind you I suppose time moves on and their premier league status is a thing of the past.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 03:27
1. Focus
2. Gentle Giant
3. Camel
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:38
silly poll
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:39
Most of my favourite bands are on this list.
 
These bands are second tier ONLY because of lower album sales and fame compared to the "first" tier bands. In quality terms, most of these bands are actually better because they didn't sell out to gain popularity and achieve high sales.
 
I went for Camel (the best band that's ever played for me) but I love GG, Marillion, IQ, Strawbs, Focus, Renaiassance, Mannfred Mann's Earthband, Caravan and BJH and like most of the rest (except Magma and VDGG, and the latter only because of the vocals).
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:42
i tend to think Supertramp to be a second tier prog band, and also Roxie Music
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:49
I don't like the term "second tier" at all. It suggests "second class".


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 04:53
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Happy the Man from the list, Saga and Banco as well.  Not mentioned: Morgan.
Morgan weren't mentioned because they aren't second tier. THey might not even be third tier. Geez, if I included them I'd have to include A LOT of other bands including Greenslade, Fruupp and Curved Air just to mention a few.One band who I really should have included was Triumvirat. Oh well.

Those who want to see a big list of old bands and albums from the seventies go here www.progressiverock.com
Oh you wanna play hardball--  Gentle Giant second tier?  Bullsh*t; they're often mentioned in the same breath as ELP and Genesis.  

Sorry, but I was alive when GG were active and they were no more than a band with an enthustastic (and fairly large) cult following, mainly in universities. They (and VDGG, who were only just popular enough then to be inckuded here, thanks to their Italian following) were never remotely as successful as ELP, Genesis, Floyd and the other first tier bands.
 
Quality wise, GG were first tier beyond doubt; popularity wise, it was about as uncool as it could be to admit you liked them. The same applies for Marillion, where admitting you're a fan puts you on a par with someone who wears tweed suits and drives a Morgan in my experience.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:08
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Prog_Traveller Prog_Traveller wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Happy the Man from the list, Saga and Banco as well.  Not mentioned: Morgan.
Morgan weren't mentioned because they aren't second tier. THey might not even be third tier. Geez, if I included them I'd have to include A LOT of other bands including Greenslade, Fruupp and Curved Air just to mention a few.One band who I really should have included was Triumvirat. Oh well.

Those who want to see a big list of old bands and albums from the seventies go here www.progressiverock.com
Oh you wanna play hardball--  Gentle Giant second tier?  Bullsh*t; they're often mentioned in the same breath as ELP and Genesis.  

Sorry, but I was alive when GG were active and they were no more than a band with an enthustastic (and fairly large) cult following, mainly in universities. They (and VDGG, who were only just popular enough then to be inckuded here, thanks to their Italian following) were never remotely as successful as ELP, Genesis, Floyd and the other first tier bands.
 
Quality wise, GG were first tier beyond doubt; popularity wise, it was about as uncool as it could be to admit you liked them. The same applies for Marillion, where admitting you're a fan puts you on a par with someone who wears tweed suits and drives a Morgan in my experience.
 

If that is the meaning of "first tier" then it is equal to "commercially successful". Why use the euphemism?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:29
Second tier, second division are both expressions widely used in this context. There is no mystery.

Although Marillion  were not second tier. They were the top Prog band of their day.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:33
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

... I can tell you which of these bands is my least favourite one though: Barclay James Harmless.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:34
I did not mean to say it is a mystery.. It is not a mystery at all. I just wonder about the euphemism. If you mean "commercially successful" then out with it.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:41
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

I did not mean to say it is a mystery.. It is not a mystery at all. I just wonder about the euphemism. If you mean "commercially successful" then out with it.


Because second tier is quicker and easier and perfectly acceptable.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 05:49
I disagree. The term "second tier" is somewhat depreciating.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 06:05
It isn't.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 06:18
It is no surprise we are of a different opinion. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:02
It's Camel for me. I don't see why people make a fuss about descriptive language. Second Tier is perfectly clear and easy to use. Everyone knows exactly what it means in this context. Insisting on circuitous doublespeak gobbledygook for the sake of political correctness is ridiculous. And anyone who thinks Gentle Giant were ever as popular as ELP is nuts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:07
No real surprise on my vote, chalk up one for "The Flower Kings".

The one thing I'm curious about is your mention of 'Le Orme' and it seemed that you were saying that they're considered first tier.  So here's my question, this is a band that I've never listened to, who's a fan, where should I start and are they an 'important' band.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 13 2013 at 07:20
Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

It is no surprise we are of a different opinion. Wink

Well what can I say? the fact that you feel it makes them sound second rate simply does not make it so. You are entitled to your feeling of course but it doesn't alter the fact. For my part I am not forming an opinion, just stating that the author did not intend it that way. And neither does anyone who uses the expression. If we meant that we would have said "second rate" rather..

You are right though. We very rarely agree on anything at all. Ying Yang


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