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The Doctor
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 14:58 |
Never had the love for Relayer as others here have. In fact, it is my least favorite of their 70s output. Fragile comes in a close 6, followed by TAAW, TYA, Talk and Fly From Here.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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horza
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 14:55 |
The Doctor wrote:
Drama is in my top 5 Yes albums, along with CTTE, TFTO, GFTO and yes, 90125. The latest, Fly From Here is a good one and my favorite since The Keys to Ascension sets. | Fragile and Relayer would make my top 5 Yes albums before Drama
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Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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The Doctor
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 14:51 |
Drama is in my top 5 Yes albums, along with CTTE, TFTO, GFTO and yes, 90125. The latest, Fly From Here is a good one and my favorite since The Keys to Ascension sets.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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JocBT
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 14:38 |
cstack3 wrote:
horza wrote:
I can't think of any of my favourite prog bands which have not disappointed me in one way or another. It might have been an individual album track or an entire album, perhaps it was a line-up change that left me scratching my head in amazement.
Can you think of any examples?
I might start with Yes thinking that Trevor Horn (ex-The Buggles) was a suitable replacement for Jon Anderson. |
I agree! In fact, Yes continues to disappoint without Jon Anderson, at least with Benoit David. Jon Davison is a very good stand-in for Anderson, but they are not the same....Downes just doesn't have the chops from what I've heard. I also don't like their proclivity to play only for casino theaters in the USA, there are many fine venues that are more accessible.
Major record disappointments for me included "Drama" (putting me at odds with most on PA it would appear), "Union," and "Big Generator."
I wish Yes had stuck to the formula that created "Tales from Topographic Oceans"! Over-reach, spiritual themes etc. They made their best music when they pushed themselves to their personal limits.
Creative tension can work wonders in the rock studio, I've experienced it many times. It's not a recording session until at least one breakable object is broken!
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I disagree strongly with the both of you. Drama was a very strong album, even considering that Jon isn't on it. Now I can understand the hate for Union and Big Generator but they both have incredible songs including Shoot High Aim Low, I'm Running, Holy Lamb, Without Hope You Cannot Start The Day, Miracle of Life, The More We Live - Let Go to name a few.
Although they never really did go back to the classic sound (they hit is slightly on Ladder, which is a very good album), they did make great songs on both Magnification and Fly From Here, which coincidentally doesn't have Jon either.
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 12:21 |
Hard to tell (and good, interesting thread) Possibly the fact that bands tend to go heavier/more industrial-like and forget about the depth of composition (see last two Fates Warning releases). Or, when bands "evolve" further than they should have (of course who am I to judge, but) e.g. Anathema, start playing so-called uninteresting progressive (?) pop music from something that inspired them (see Coldplay) later in their career but then again, major disappointments can sometimes lead to massive comebacks, so not all is dark and grey
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 12:15 |
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moshkito
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 11:47 |
Hi, Pink Floyd, in the album after Dark Side of the Moon. They had been playing new material for a whole year and it was in many bootlegs, and it was dumped for a few more years. And it was vastly superior. Other than that ... Amon Duul 2 in Vive La Trance album ... you knew right after the end of "Apocaliptyc Bore" that it was over ... and the rest of their stuff is not half as important, or as good since.
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com
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Larree
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 11:43 |
friso wrote:
I really disliked seeing Robert Fripp walking on stage and playing a pink acoustic guitar on a Lady Gaga concert in Londen in 2010. He just kept smyling... |
Wow.
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The Doctor
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 11:14 |
I liked Octavarium quite a bit. And do prefer it over Systematic Chaos, although I don't think that was too bad of an album either.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 11:10 |
DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:
Same here. I found Octavarium had some great highs, but so many lows that it almost cancels out those highs. However I can't say I have many problems with any track on Systematic Chaos. |
I think I feel the opposite here. I love Octavarium, but Systematic Chaos had some good points, and some bad ones. In fact, if I had to pick a least favorite Dream Theater album (all of which I like), it might be Systematic Chaos. Not disappointing, just not their best. Muse's latest album I enjoyed much less than the previous ones. I wouldn't call it a bad album, just not my taste.
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DreamInSong
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 10:37 |
2008, Dream Theater was my favorite band. I loved every album, except their most recent. I listened to Systematic Chaos endlessly, hoping it would click, and provoke the same love so many of their albums, it never did.
Storm Corrosion had some great songs. The Drag Ropes video was incredible, and the title song is sooo gorgeous. So why does the album feel so bland?
The Incident (IMO) is Porcupine Tree's worst album (though I've never listened to the debut album). What a terrible note to end on, after such a long run of brilliance.
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Stool Man
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 09:38 |
Pink Floyd only let me down twice: 1. Stopping improvising & experimenting. 2. The 1980s.
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The Doctor
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 08:28 |
The three most disappointing moments for me: Side 2 of Genesis. Side 1 was such a perfect side of music IMO, but they really dropped the ball on Side 2. Yes - Open Your Eyes. Utterly terrible and coming off the strong live/studio Keys to Ascension made this album even harder to swallow. The Jakksyk, Fripp & Collins album A Scarcity of Miracles. With 3 (plus 2) great musicians, the chances for something spectacular was pretty darn high. Unfortunately, they went for a more ambient kind of atmosphere and the album lacked any dynamics, and melody for that matter. Not a sell out, but about as exciting as watching paint dry.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Astral Traveller
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 07:55 |
friso wrote:
I really disliked seeing Robert Fripp walking on stage and playing a pink acoustic guitar on a Lady Gaga concert in Londen in 2010. He just kept smyling... |
After all of the years Fripp spent criticizing pop music, I can't see him playing at a Lady Gaga concert.
I was let down when Chris Squire kicked Jon Anderson out of the band for poor health, then did the same when Benoit fell ill, and did not let Jon rejoin when they needed a new lead singer.
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A mistake is always forgivable, rarely excusable and always unacceptable. -Robert Fripp
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friso
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 07:42 |
I really disliked seeing Robert Fripp walking on stage and playing a pink acoustic guitar on a Lady Gaga concert in Londen in 2010. He just kept smyling...
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 06:51 |
Anathema's 'A Natural Disaster'. I love all their albums since 1996 but
not this one. It sounds to me overly boring and 'Violence' is a total
rip-off from 'Laura Palmer's Theme' by Angelo Badalamenti.
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This night wounds time.
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rdtprog
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 05:00 |
zeqexes wrote:
I found A Dramatic Turn of Events quite disappointing - a decent album if we're talking about musical ideas, but just way too full of musical noodling (something I hoped they would let go of when Mike P left) |
I gave a listen to this cd many times, but still can't find anything to satisfy me, except a couple of songs at the end. Since BCSL the band has disappointed me.
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 04:35 |
ProgBob wrote:
I discovered prog at a bad time. Virtually every new album by artists I had just discovered was a disappointment:
Mike Oldfield - Platinum Jethro Tull - A Asia Genesis - Abacab Yes - 90125
I was initially perplexed by KC's Discipline but I came round to that one and I now regard it as a classic (unlike any of those mentioned above).
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Don't be so hard on yourself. A IMHO is a tremendous album and I had been following them since 1972. To me it was such a breath of fresh air. I had had enough of their folk stuff...too much King Henry Madrigal, too much One Brown Mouse, too much folk. So A just gelled for me. I regularly go back and play it. I have always stated that A is a much underrated masterpiece. As for Asia...well yes that was AOR at its worst IMHO. It was unfortunate that the Wishbone Ash guys (Andy Powell and Laurie Wisefield) weren't willing to let John Wetton into a contract that would allow him a share of songwriting and singing duties in WIshone. I am sure WA would have had a much more fruitful few years after 1981if that had been done. But Wetton left after one album with WA and formed Asia and the rest is history. Discipline is a five star album. Love it.
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Gerinski
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 02:50 |
Most Steve Howe solo albums have been a disappointment. How can a musician be so great in a band and so bad solo
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zeqexes
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 02:25 |
I found A Dramatic Turn of Events quite disappointing - a decent album if we're talking about musical ideas, but just way too full of musical noodling (something I hoped they would let go of when Mike P left)
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