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The Mystical
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Posted: March 11 2013 at 02:12 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Hmm....
Maybe not what you had in mind, but something that's been rather difficult to swallow for me, is when artists denounce their earlier music. Pink Floyd fx have been pretty nasty about Atom Heart Mother, especially Waters and Gilmour.
Now I happen to believe that AHM is a bonafide masterpiece, and that the epic selftitled track is a thing of pure art. A lot of that is obviously down to Ron Geesin's input and guidance, which is why I find it even more disrespectful. It was just as much his baby.
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I agree whole heartedly. I have never understood why AHM has been put down by all members of Floyd.
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Larree
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 21:57 |
Floyd Steely wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk here, but have you ever considered that your favorite prog bands might be disappointed in you as a fan? |
Too funny!
You may get a kick out of this article. Not about a prog band or artist, but it applies to your post. Kind of!
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 20:03 |
Same here. I found Octavarium had some great highs, but so many lows that it almost cancels out those highs. However I can't say I have many problems with any track on Systematic Chaos.
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 19:54 |
Floyd Steely wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk here, but have you ever considered that your favorite prog bands might be disappointed in you as a fan? |
Indeed. Let down...who the hell are you for them to have let you down, Emperor of China? There are albums I like and some that I don't. What few tracks I heard of Clockwork Angels, King of Limbs, A Dramatic Turn of Events, Road Salt One, 2nd Law did not encourage me to proceed. I think it's going to be the same with Raven That Refused to Sing. Just didn't excite me, it obviously must have excited them so guess they're on a different trip from mine.
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Floyd Steely
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 19:45 |
That was exactly my point. It's not necessarily the artist's fault when a listener doesn't connect with the work.
Edited by Floyd Steely - March 10 2013 at 19:47
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Horizons
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 19:41 |
Floyd Steely wrote:
Not trying to be a jerk here, but have you ever considered that your favorite prog bands might be disappointed in you as a fan? |
No, that's just nonsense. Artists constantly mention that they lose and gain fans with new releases, it's what happens naturally when you experiment with your sound. As an artist, i wouldn't expect my fans to be uncompromisingly devoted to me.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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malibusr
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 19:37 |
Not trying to be a jerk here, but have you ever considered that your favorite prog bands might be disappointed in you as a fan?....
Now that is funny!!!!
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Floyd Steely
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 19:18 |
Not trying to be a jerk here, but have you ever considered that your favorite prog bands might be disappointed in you as a fan?
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dysoriented
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 19:18 |
Dream Theater released some terrible songs for me, Forsaken and A Rite of Passage were both awful in my opinion. I know they were meant to be slightly poppy, but, DT just cannot do poppy properly. BigElf smashed it with 'Money Machine' and 'Hex', but 'Cheat the Gallows' kinda sucked, I don't know why but the first time I listened to it I couldn't sit through the whole thing. All I got so far, but those are more recent and fresh in the mind I guess? Oh but I do agree with RodrigoDeLeon that The Mars Volta lost it's flavour after amputechture.
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Horizons
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 18:57 |
Clockwork Angels was a massive hype and the biggest Rush let down in their discog for me. Terribly boring record. Talking Heads post-Speaking in Tongues Radiohead's The King of Limbs. Not awful, but a clear weakening.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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presdoug
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 17:20 |
Helmut Koellen leaving Triumvirat. No matter how hard they tried, the subsequent recordings paled by comparison to the ones with Helmut. When he left Triumvirat, so did their career.
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darkshade
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:55 |
My first Yes album was 90125, after hearing Long Distance Runaround/The Fish on the radio and looking for that and similar songs. Quite disappointing, though I remember going "Oh, Owner of a Lonely Heart is Yes?!!"
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Larree
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:37 |
Thank you for the welcome, Horza. Pleasure to be here!
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horza
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:28 |
Larree wrote:
Peter Gabriel leaving Genesis. That was a drag. I was very fortunate to get to see The Lamb Lies Down show at the Shrine and the Selling England show at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium. But my last Genesis concert was Trick of the Tail in Burbank. And I never bought another Genesis album after Trick. | Welcome to the Prog Archives - I notice you joined today. Steve Hillage let me down - I saw him at the Glasgow Apollo in 1979 and he never returned. I loved that gig (the 'Open' tour) and always looked out for him coming back. Maybe one day
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Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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Larree
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:22 |
Peter Gabriel leaving Genesis. That was a drag. I was very fortunate to get to see The Lamb Lies Down show at the Shrine and the Selling England show at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium. But my last Genesis concert was Trick of the Tail in Burbank. And I never bought another Genesis album after Trick.
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Aussie-Byrd-Brother
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:21 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Hmm.... Maybe not what you had in mind, but something that's been rather difficult to swallow for me, is when artists denounce their earlier music. Pink Floyd fx have been pretty nasty about Atom Heart Mother, especially Waters and Gilmour. Now I happen to believe that AHM is a bonafide masterpiece, and that the epic selftitled track is a thing of pure art. A lot of that is obviously down to Ron Geesin's input and guidance, which is why I find it even more disrespectful. It was just as much his baby.
| Dave, I agree about the album, and it especially bugs me as I've read over the years Gilmour having said things like he felt the album was rubbish. When I first started getting into prog, I only had cassettes of `Animals' and `Atom Heart Mother' (that tape was in vile condition too! ), and I had NEVER heard music like it! It was the most exciting, unique, varied, schizophrenic and strage album I had ever heard! Totally knocked me back....I remember being 16-17, spending a summer helping out at my Dad's work wrapping up and posting business calenders to clients, and I had that Atom Heart tape playing over and over for days on end :) As for the topic of this thread, I was pretty disappointed when Porcupine Tree first started heading in the `harder/heavier' direction....as much as I still love those last few albums, they certainly lost a little bit of their subtlety :)
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ProgBob
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:17 |
I discovered prog at a bad time. Virtually every new album by artists I had just discovered was a disappointment:
Mike Oldfield - Platinum Jethro Tull - A Asia Genesis - Abacab Yes - 90125
I was initially perplexed by KC's Discipline but I came round to that one and I now regard it as a classic (unlike any of those mentioned above).
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HolyMoly
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:17 |
I actually have a thread idea I've been tossing around. I've noticed that a lot of times when I get into a current band, I seem to catch them right at their peak, and then each succeeding album moves further and further from what excited me about them in the first place. But in the end it just feels like I'm being selfish and expecting bands to stay in one place of my own devising, which isn't really fair.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:13 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Hmm....
Maybe not what you had in mind, but something that's been rather difficult to swallow for me, is when artists denounce their earlier music. Pink Floyd fx have been pretty nasty about Atom Heart Mother, especially Waters and Gilmour.
Now I happen to believe that AHM is a bonafide masterpiece, and that the epic selftitled track is a thing of pure art. A lot of that is obviously down to Ron Geesin's input and guidance, which is why I find it even more disrespectful. It was just as much his baby.
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This, this and this.
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My other avatar is a Porsche
It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased.
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horza
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Posted: March 10 2013 at 16:10 |
rdtprog wrote:
Rush after Hold Your Fire, Genesis after Duke, Yes when Trevor Rabin replaced Steve Howe, ELP when they went "orchestra", Marillion when Fish left the boat, Pink Floyd when they did "The Wall".
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Originally posted by darkshade: Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot.
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