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Barbu 
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I'm not really one to meditate, but some of the Tangerine Dream albums, such as Phaedra and Rubycon, are great to help you relax. I can easily see why some would recommend Klaus Schulze, his Time-Wind album is one of the best to help you transcend into a calm, relaxed state of mind.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: July 20 2013 at 23:11 |
I used to meditate to Fripp & Eno's Evening Star, though "An Index of Metals" could often lead to a pretty dark place...or was that a dark pretty place? 
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Posted: July 21 2013 at 11:33 |
Hi,
One album, actually 2 cuts, not the whole album, that would fit the "prog" description, would be from Gong's You album ... the two long cuts together is actually a very nice meditation, though I am not sure that Stiv or Daevid would call it that!
On a different kind of meditation that would fit the "prog" idea better, I like the excursions that some bands take ... for example, you can listen to Djam Karet's The Trip, and I don't even feel like I am inside the Fillmore West ... it is a very nice out in the country trip for me, with a creek to take a swim on, and such.
In general, this kind of "tripping" is good to help you learn something about meditation, but in the end, you will finally learn that the one and only important thing in "meditation" is the inner silence, which helps create the healthiest state for your body to live on! Any external music, would be counter that process, regardless of your appreciation for it, as it would distract you from the "center", which is the only important thing at that point!
Edited by moshkito - July 21 2013 at 11:43
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Posted: July 21 2013 at 13:22 |
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I'm not into meditation but I remember in the liner notes of BETWEEN's "And The Waters Opened" that the band said they received many letters over the years from people who received healing of some sort while listening to that particular record.
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"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"
"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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Posted: July 21 2013 at 14:47 |
 thellama73 wrote:
The aim of meditation is to silence the mind. I don't see how you could possibly achieve that with music on, much less prog music.
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There are some masters who say the highest state can only be reached through music but it certainly was not Glass Hammer they were talking about.
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Posted: July 21 2013 at 15:19 |
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talk talk - the spirit of eden
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Posted: July 22 2013 at 02:58 |
Ajay wrote:
I meditate without music, to experience the "silence."
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I do the same. First, I listen to a CD (progressive music, hard-rock, classic rock, ...). And 10 mn after the end of the album, I meditate during 20 mn. I only use atmospheric rock music (post-rock and progressive rock) when I magnetize people (Days Between Stations, No-Man, Nosound, ...).
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moshkito
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Posted: July 23 2013 at 10:07 |
Mellotron Storm wrote:
I'm not into meditation but I remember in the liner notes of BETWEEN's "And The Waters Opened" that the band said they received many letters over the years from people who received healing of some sort while listening to that particular record. |
And Peter Michael Hamel went on to do several hard core meditation albums, and then write a book that trashed all of the western culture's obsession with bad music in the western world!
It was nice stuff.
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moshkito
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Posted: July 23 2013 at 10:35 |
timothy leary wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
The aim of meditation is to silence the mind. I don't see how you could possibly achieve that with music on, much less prog music. |
There are some masters who say the highest state can only be reached through music but it certainly was not Glass Hammer they were talking about. |
Funny! 
I don't think that any of us, can get a handle on the definition of that inner music for meditation. I kinda look at what Klaus does as his meditation, or what Edgar does as his meditation, what David Parsons does as his meditation, and what Deuter does as his mediation ... and I don't really think of it as "music" as much as I see it as a visionscape of the artist.
The main problem I have with the pop process is the lyrics, and people thinking that just because they tell you something that it is what they are saying ... and that is not true, and more than 50% of those lyrics are mis-leading and not even representative of th einner thing ... they are an idea, or that person's idea of how things are.
That said, even things like "Close to the Edge" or "Tales from Topographic Oceans" are massive mediational pieces, specially when considering one is taken almost directly from Herman Hesse's Sddhartha book! But we still look at thos pieces as a "song" ... not as something else about life ... the inner life ... and until we stop considering all these just another song, or music, I don't think that we stand a chance of finding that inner medium.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: July 23 2013 at 23:17 |
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I always believed a goal of meditation was to allow your consciousness to explore or make discoveries by the intense focus on a single thought/mantra/candle flame/etc. I'd find meditating to any prog with vocals way too distracting as I'd be focused on the words and their meaning instead of allowing the unconscious exploration which could (hopefully) lead to unexpected insights.
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Posted: July 24 2013 at 11:51 |
thellama73 wrote:
The aim of meditation is to silence the mind. I don't see how you could possibly achieve that with music on, much less prog music.
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I'm with him, that's why I meditate to Buckethead's heavy metal albums.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted: July 24 2013 at 12:09 |
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Harold Budd ,Laraaji , Eno ,Fripp and Eno, Phillip Glass, John Cage,Jon Hassell,Michael O` Suilleabhain, and very,very occasionally Cradle of Filfth ( only joking!).
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Posted: July 24 2013 at 12:17 |
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Meditation works differently in all of us and can be quite subjective because of how meditation can bestow so many unique experiences with in an individual.
But, here are a few albums that have certainly put me in an 'outer world' experience or even just to relax and feel 100% at peace with myself and my surroundings. Also, sometimes I like to go a darker realm of things, so moody ambience can be quite tranquil with me as well. I find some vocal music can work well too. :) Anyway. Here are a few albums that I love deeply to help sedate the savage beast that I am. Lol
Tangerine Dream--Hyperborea, Logos, Rubycon and Phaedra
Klaus Schultze--Kontinuum, Moondawn and La Vie Electronique vol. 1
Dead Can Dance--Anastasis
Kevin Moore--Shine
ZOMBI---Spirit Animal
Pink Floyd--Darkside of The Moon
Nine Inch Nails--Ghosts pt 1-36
Vangelis--El Greco, BladeRunner Soundtrack, Albedo 0.39, Spiral and The City
Marc Streitenfield--The Grey (movie score.)
The Future Sound of London--Dead Cities
Brain Eno--Ambient Music 4--On Land
Shamall--This is Human Behaviour.
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Posted: July 24 2013 at 12:25 |
thellama73 wrote:
The aim of meditation is to silence the mind. I don't see how you could possibly achieve that with music on, much less prog music.
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No true at all. Music can help access, like a tuning fork would, to certain parts of your conscientious. Meditation alone is not based strictly on 'silence.' but then again, this is just from my experience only. It works differently for everyone. :)
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Posted: July 24 2013 at 12:26 |
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I have recently begun to meditate, and I like to meditate with music as it gives me a spiritual lift. I have tried with all kinds of albums, and so far my favourites are Glass Hammer's "Chronometree" and Ozric Tentacles' "Jurassic Shift".Can anybody recommend any prog that would be good for meditation? Also, please feel free to share your experiences in meditation. Peace! |
You know what, that Ozric album can work. Just not for me though. :)
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Posted: July 27 2013 at 17:33 |
The.Crimson.King wrote:
I always believed a goal of meditation was to allow your consciousness to explore or make discoveries by the intense focus on a single thought/mantra/candle flame/etc. I'd find meditating to any prog with vocals way too distracting as I'd be focused on the words and their meaning instead of allowing the unconscious exploration which could (hopefully) lead to unexpected insights. |
That depends, since the voice is ALSO, an instrument ... but we have not heard many things in music that show the voice as an instrument, instead of thinking that the lyrics are more important than the instrument, and it must be what it is about, kind of thing ... it's almost like a child's story, and you come to believe it!
If you hear some of the vocal things in the ECM label, and some others, or hear the stuff with Khan (sorry, have never remembered his full name!), you will find that ... you don't get it ... this is not like a song, that we know ... and the main reason why folks won't listen to it a whole lot! It's so different, from the topical and repetitive pop music design that most folks do in rock music ... why? it's the easiest and you don't have to pay a teacher for it! It's easy to say, there is no apreciation to take it any further in their life, other than make more money. It lacks depth and soul behind it all!
Now, who, can we say, uses his/her voice as an instrument, and in many ways, you don't even hear the lyrics, and you already know ... that it's true! For me, a lot of Peter Hammill is a vocal meditation, and the other one is Kate Bush's Snow album ... that is almost pure music in the Hindu definition of it ... it just flows and goes ... it stops when it does ... and you don't feel empty, or missing out on something! You know right away, this is what she was looking for ... something that was not pop music, but was pure poetry, from beginning to end ... and there it is ... as progressive as any music has been for 30years ... and we don't even realize it! It's a perfect "meditation" and leaves you very quiet inside ... you wish you could do that ... with yourself even, let alone with a matey!
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Posted: July 27 2013 at 20:17 |
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Whenever i listen to any music, i empty my mind and focus on the music only, and usually don't engage in any other activity or even move when i listen. Sometimes i close my eyes as well. Is that sort of meditation? If it is, then depending on my mood, anything would suffice.(anything in my collection, i mean)
Lately early Wishbone Ash have been really doing it for me.
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The.Crimson.King
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Posted: July 27 2013 at 22:40 |
moshkito wrote:
The.Crimson.King wrote:
I always believed a goal of meditation was to allow your consciousness to explore or make discoveries by the intense focus on a single thought/mantra/candle flame/etc. I'd find meditating to any prog with vocals way too distracting as I'd be focused on the words and their meaning instead of allowing the unconscious exploration which could (hopefully) lead to unexpected insights. |
That depends, since the voice is ALSO, an instrument ... but we have not heard many things in music that show the voice as an instrument, instead of thinking that the lyrics are more important than the instrument, and it must be what it is about, kind of thing ... it's almost like a child's story, and you come to believe it!
If you hear some of the vocal things in the ECM label, and some others, or hear the stuff with Khan (sorry, have never remembered his full name!), you will find that ... you don't get it ... this is not like a song, that we know ... and the main reason why folks won't listen to it a whole lot! It's so different, from the topical and repetitive pop music design that most folks do in rock music ... why? it's the easiest and you don't have to pay a teacher for it! It's easy to say, there is no apreciation to take it any further in their life, other than make more money. It lacks depth and soul behind it all!
Now, who, can we say, uses his/her voice as an instrument, and in many ways, you don't even hear the lyrics, and you already know ... that it's true! For me, a lot of Peter Hammill is a vocal meditation, and the other one is Kate Bush's Snow album ... that is almost pure music in the Hindu definition of it ... it just flows and goes ... it stops when it does ... and you don't feel empty, or missing out on something! You know right away, this is what she was looking for ... something that was not pop music, but was pure poetry, from beginning to end ... and there it is ... as progressive as any music has been for 30years ... and we don't even realize it! It's a perfect "meditation" and leaves you very quiet inside ... you wish you could do that ... with yourself even, let alone with a matey! |
Must admit I haven't listened to any Kate Bush since The Sensual World so can't comment on her Snow album; however, the only two vocalists that I feel were able to use their voices purely as an instrument rather than as a vehicle to deliver words are Lisa Gerrard of Dead Can Dance and Diamonda Galas. In both cases, I don't hear the words but react emotionally as if listening to a soaring David Gilmour guitar solo.
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Posted: July 28 2013 at 01:41 |
A few days ago, on french tv, I watched a documentary about bouddist monks who maked traditional dances. Their goal was to have an active meditation while they danced. So now, I think it is possible to meditate if you listen to cool music (Days Between Stations, No-Man, Nosound, ...). 
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