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ExittheLemming 
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 Posted: March 23 2013 at 22:05 |
 Triceratopsoil wrote:
Implying Yes is musically relevant at all these days, with or without him.
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I happen to agree with you but let's not get all contemporaneous here: all you need for relevance is sincerity in my book (and Yes ain't had that for over 30 years, hence my comparing them to that of a franchise) I'm inferring you think old men in prog are irrelevant, which is at best fatuous.
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 21:11 |
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Implying Yes is musically relevant at all these days, with or without him.
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zumacraig
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 21:06 |
Horizons wrote:
Why would you try get attention for a band that is 30 years past their expiration date?
Give your attention to better bands.
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yeah, like the modern heavy weight, Charles Mingus 
just joking...seriously, who would you recommend?
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Stardust we are.
-Roine Stolt
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 19:52 |
Horizons wrote:
Why would you try get attention for a band that is 30 years past their expiration date?
Give your attention to better bands. |
That's a tad harsh...........why not give attention to the greats AND to 'better' bands...........??
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Horizons
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 19:24 |
Why would you try get attention for a band that is 30 years past their expiration date?
Give your attention to better bands.
Edited by Horizons - March 23 2013 at 19:24
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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zumacraig
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 18:38 |
Jon Anderson's last album was not too bad. He's hopelessly devoted to cheese and digital synths, so anything new really needs a no-nonsense producer like Rick Rubin or Nigel Goodrich. Jon also needs some help in the lyrics department. There's only so many times you can write about the Big Dream.
I also love Fly From Here. Best thing since Drama. That being said, the week link in Yes these days is Geoff Downes. He's okay on the Drama stuff, but is woefully inadequate on imitating Wakeman...especially Awaken.
Jon Davison is pretty amazing, but Yes shows are boring as hell these days. Everything is so slow. Jon and Jon is an intriguing proposition. Sharing vocals etc.
I would love to see Squire, Wakeman, Howe, Anderson, White and Davison in the studio with a good producer that would reel in the band's eccentricities and assure a warmly mixed and mastered album (this is what's been missing from prog since 1980, IMO). Then do a series of residencies in London, LA and New York. Maybe do full albums and have Dean stage props. Maybe even revisit some 80s-90s Yes music and rearrange for a leaner more succinct presentation. Keep the band healthy, happy and creative. Also, bring in additional musicians to fill in the sound as needed. Good musicians, not heritage like Downes.
If these bands want to stay on the road, they need to play to their strengths. Another band that could do this is Rush. Come out and do an instrumental medley of the old tunes everyone wants to hear. Maybe bring in a guest vocalist to do the singing. Don't play as long and play residencies.
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Stardust we are.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 16:57 |
JesusisLord wrote:
Jon Anderson is still a gifted composer/songwriter with heaps of creativity within. He doesn't need Yes, Who has dried up long ago and has become a bloated parody of itself. I say, Jon, surround yourself with new talent and form a new vehicle to fuel your artistry.
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I hate to say that but I'm not going to dispute it ,but then again, Jon isn't doing anything all that fresh and interesting, either.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 15:58 |
Moogtron III wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I never understood the love for this album. Yuck. |
I'm still trying to appreciate it.
I'm not sure if I ever will. |
BTW, I don't like any of Jon A's other solo albums at all, whether it be with Vangelis, or purely solo. Olias is not an easy album to digest - I've probably listened to it more in the last month than I have in the last 20-odd years I've had the record - something just clicks - and it must be that I'm missing his voice in Yes.
Benoit put in a lot of hard work and gave nothing but a great performance with his vocals - I haven't heard Davison in Yes yet, but he too has a top, Jon Anderson-like voice. But Jon Anderson, they're not.
I doubt J.A. will ever return to Yes, but the Yes-machine will still crank on. It's only when Rick W returns for the 2639th time and brings his vocal buddy Ashley Holt it may go all pear-shaped.......
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Ruby900
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 14:43 |
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Yes just ain't Yes without him......full stop!
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"I always say that it’s about breaking the rules. But the secret of breaking rules in a way that works is understanding what the rules are in the first place". Rick Wakeman
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The Doctor
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 13:26 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
How about a petition to get CAN back together instead? |
Sadly, Michael Karoli is deceased, so there could never be a complete CAN reunion. Personally, I'd like to see GG get back together and record a new album.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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moshkito
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 13:22 |
zumacraig wrote:
JesusisLord wrote:
Jon Anderson is still a gifted composer/songwriter with heaps of creativity within. He doesn't need Yes, Who has dried up long ago and has become a bloated parody of itself. I say, Jon, surround yourself with new talent and form a new vehicle to fuel your artistry. |
Jon has ZERO creativity left.. |
He may not have a lot of voice left ... but the creativity is there and he will translate it better as time goes by. I have not been a YES fan since the last album of theirs I enjoyed ... Relayer ... and when Patrick Moraz was dumped, I lost all respect in YES, and have not bothered since. Jon is fine, and doesn't need YES anymore! He needs to get his own vision done, like he did before ... and sing it differently, and as I told him when he was around here ... stop trying to sing everything ... do it like a poem, or a rap poem ... or anything else ... add something to that stuff that was not there before ... he stated at me, smiled ... giggled ... and then winked! The rest of YES ... is about what is all wrong with the rock music world and business in my estimation! I don't even find the music that great!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 13:21 |
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How about a petition to get CAN back together instead?
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
- Douglas Adams
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Moogtron III
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 13:08 |
I love what Jon Anderson did for '70's Yes, and I love the Anderson Bruford Wakeman Howe album and Yes' project with the orchestra on tour about a decade ago: that was Jons dream and it was great.
But I wouldn't support the petition. I have the feeling that bringing Geoff Downes and Trevor Horn back in brought some freshness to the band (for however long that remains fresh, I don't know.) Jon wouldn't want long tours anyway and he's happy to work with Rick and do solo stuff, so...
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Moogtron III
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 13:02 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I never understood the love for this album. Yuck. |
I'm still trying to appreciate it. I'm not sure if I ever will.
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darkshade
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 13:00 |
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Don't care anymore. There's a better chance of King Crimson reforming for a new album, and Jon joining them on vocals alongside Belew for a performance of Lizard's title track than Jon rejoining Yes.
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Horizons
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 12:45 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
They're probably my least favorite of the original Prog heavyweights but you certainly can't deny Yes (with Jon) produced some genre defining moments in their output during the early 70's. Thereafter alas, the name Yes has become but a franchise sticker over which many tiresome ageing hippys wage media wars for their pension rights. It's irrelevant who the singer is when the band are tantamount to a karaoke machine
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Metalmarsh89
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 12:10 |
Not that long ago it was the other way around. 
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The Doctor
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 12:08 |
Stool Man wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
No. No. No. It's in the US Constitution that we have the right to petition our favorite band for a redress of grievances.
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But Yes are from the UK, not the the US |
Don't we own the UK? 
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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lazland
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 12:01 |
ExittheLemming wrote:
They're probably my least favorite of the original Prog heavyweights but you certainly can't deny Yes (with Jon) produced some genre defining moments in their output during the early 70's. Thereafter alas, the name Yes has become but a franchise sticker over which many tiresome ageing hippys wage media wars for their pension rights. It's irrelevant who the singer is when the band are tantamount to a karaoke machine (though I thought Fly From Here represented something of a return to form)
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I agree with much of this, aside from Ian's comment re least favourite.
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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Stool Man
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Posted: March 23 2013 at 11:55 |
The Doctor wrote:
No. No. No. It's in the US Constitution that we have the right to petition our favorite band for a redress of grievances.
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But Yes are from the UK, not the the US
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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Petition to get Jon Anderson back into Yes
) - it probably would've been done differently with Anderson's input, and gained more respect than it does...........
