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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:25 | ||
I know the feeling. I have the first Ramases album, and while I really dig it, I have no real urge to acquire the follow up. Oh and laughing out loud during music is perhaps one of the most sensible things to do, whenever you come across something weird/intangible/left-field - instead of pressing skip or changing the album..... Mr Wilson did have a point back when he destroyed ipods with various guns, - with today's digital world, there does seem to be a serious deficit of putting albums on and listening to them in their entirety. Too busy and fragmented to sit still for 45 minutes, and I tend to agree with him, even if I think his way of demonstrating against it was counterproductive. Ok rant over
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:15 | ||
I find this very interesting, and as you yourself put it - it's rather obvious when you compare the two tracks. I do however think that Floyd are here on PA because of their subsequent releases, and as much as Piper was overtly experimental and progressive, it's still heavily rooted in the psych rock from the sixties. As I see it, The Electric Prunes never underwent the same shift in their music, at least not towards the 'prog' we have come to call it later on.
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moshkito
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 16165 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 10:08 | ||
It was the London Press that helped the most, because LA had the Free Press, which was basically considered an underground and "illegal" publication (anything that is not the LA Times always was!), SF had Rolling Stone, but only showed "stars", so Jan could get laid. And NY didn't care, because they already had a god named Andy! So, yes, the London calling is valid! But it is not the only music there was, and LONDON knew it! I read my Melody Maker about once a month (when we went to LA so we could get it!) ... and I got into Terje Rypdal from his concert with AshRaTempel, and knew Can was in London, and Amon Duul 2 ... we never got that at Rolling Stone, or the Free Press. Ohhh ... and the first time that Rolling Stone reviewed Tangerine Dream, they said it was washing machine music, which tells you what they were ingesting for dope and drink ... even we had fun with that, but I know that you know, that we both know ... that washing machines do not sound anything like TD, even in the 2nd or 3rd album! Which really tells you where their head was at ... and the folks around the radio stations, were not a whole lot better, btw ... which makes Guy's efforts for over 20 years insane ... !
Krautrock was a natural extension of the film and theater work in Germany at that time. Music was a better and more efficient progenitor of the message ... we all know that! Please take a look, or read up Peter Brook, as to how/why he selected Peter Weiss ... and it will give you an idea of what was going on in German Theater ... and a year later or two Peter Handke was going his Burroughs impression, which Damo Suzuki made famous and it became known as "krautrock", along with others.
I did ... and check out the Encyclopedia Brittanica ... Again ... what we're getting caught on is a term that was NOT used at the time, and now we're calling it that ... and giving it different criteria fro everything including the kitchen sink ... I was aware of a lot of film around the world, and music, just like you were quite well aware of music on this side of the continent ... and we all heard it!
Btw ... I didn't care for Kansas, either! I would rather pay to go see The Allman Brothers Band at that time, since not too many import bands were around, then, specially in California, though later, things like KC did really well in LA and SF.
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ExittheLemming
Forum Senior Member Joined: October 19 2007 Location: Penal Colony Status: Offline Points: 11415 |
Posted: March 27 2013 at 04:54 | ||
Excellent nomination. A band who fell under the radar the first time around but their first two albums seem to just keep improving with age (or mine at any rate) Top drawer Symph style prog from the USA is conspicuous by its absence and I guess that the US tended to excel in the jazzier/fusion end of the spectrum ? However, exceptions to that are: Quill Ethos |
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brainstormer
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 20 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Status: Offline Points: 887 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 21:26 | ||
I'm sorry to say you guys but I think Prog History may need to be rewritten.
Electric Prunes - I had too much to dream last nightThe Lp was released April 1967 My opinion on the real history of the early incarnation. Dave Axelrod, even though he might have an average musician's Ego (meaning huge) actually became more like a member of the Prunes then the isolated "consultant or composer," that it seems like his role was. He worked with the band for one whole album, and then worked with the guy who pulled the legal strings for the band for another entire album, until the whole thing changed direction and for one album only this co-owner/producer person became the sole owner of the name. This might be the most extreme case of membership realignment under a flagship name, but even if James Lowe doesn't want to accept it, it's not unheard of that rock bands sometimes greatly change their directions like this. Chris Squire is only remaining original member to be in the band Yes, and that band has always had significant member line-up changes. We could even go so far to say that this producer David Hassinger was almost like a Peter Sinfield in King Crimson, although I am sure James Lowe would probably laugh or be angry at the suggestion. I never met David Hassinge in those days and don't know what kind of person he was. I guess he wasn't the archetypal groovy hippie musician, but my guess is that he wasn't really a Dickensian monster at that time. A lot of people like Release of an Oath and Mass, and it does fit into the Prog Rock canon rather nicely at the earliest stages. I'm just trying to show an underlining cohesiveness of The Electric Prunes as a musical entity, not the fractured early tragedy that people might want to always see them as. Sure, we can say what they could have been shows that there was an early long term band there, but Lowe mentioned that he had a type of self-preservation instinct to him that made him eventually avoid the musical world. It might have worked out best for the world, Todd Rundgren included, that things turned out the way they did. They didn't go on to become have a huge line of records in their first incarnation, but early innovators rarely have happy or easy stories. As we can see from the lifelong success of James Lowe, the fact that Mark Tulin also had a good life, not too long by today's standards but not what one could call tragically short. He went on to work with Billy Corgan, one of the biggest figures in music in from the 90' to current times. |
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brainstormer
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 20:27 | ||
I've been continuing my interview with James Lowe of the Electric Prunes and I just got this from him:
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 18:50 | ||
I'm an Englishman and have developed a fondness for US prog over the years, there's definitely a good US Avant scene. Amongst my favorites
Thinking Plague, Hamster Theater, 5UU's, Calle Debauche, The Nerve Institute, The Muffins, Herd Of Instincts, Alec Redfearn & The Eyesores, Zevious, Algernon, The Aristocrats, Behold ... The Arctopus, Tool, U Totem, Far Corner, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Steve Tibbetts, Electric Masada, Secret Chiefs 3, MoeTar, Mirthkon, Cheer-Accident, Decemberists, Djam Karet, Moraine. Phew, I thinks that's plenty of good listening |
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Ian
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 18:28 | ||
I can tell you that I laughed (out loud) when I first heard the cover of Cry Baby Cry, but not in a bad way.
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SquonkHunter
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 22 2013 Location: Texas, by God! Status: Offline Points: 334 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 17:47 | ||
Agree with the Starcastle mention. I bought the first three albums on CDs last year and are loving them. Had forgotten all about them for years until I started lurking about on this Forum. Thanks for reminding me of them.
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"You never had the things you thought you should have had and you'll not get them now..."
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dennismoore
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: April 19 2011 Location: America Status: Offline Points: 877 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 15:54 | ||
Hi Stool Man,
As a very proud American Veteran, I am not ashamed to say that as far as progressive music goes, we will
always be the UK's bitch#%s. Nothing more.
Yes, Kansas were great but not to the level of ELP or YES or Genesis, and I do really enjoy Kansas...
Hmm, let's include Canada as well,... great North American Prog:
RUSH
Kansas
Glass Hammer
Mystery
Pat Metheny
Eric Johnson (best guitarist on planet Earth who is not Steve Howe...)
Spock's Beard
Art in America....
Zappa
Al Dimeola (from New Jersey) His album "Casino" is a must own.
Allman Bros.
Dixie Dregs!!!!!!!!
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 14:23 | ||
I don't have that actually - is it any good? I have this one, which I really dig(especially the beautiful art work):
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 14:14 | ||
In 2006 I walked into Waterloo Records in Austin Texas looking for something new, the guy behind the counter commented on my English accent and we got talking, before I left I asked him for the coolest new album they'd got. He handed me Ticket Crystal. Edited by Dean - March 26 2013 at 14:15 |
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 14:00 | ||
You've got a Bardo Pond album Dean? Wouldn't have guessed that..... How do you find it(and what is it btw)?
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5093 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:56 | ||
I like a lot of American (US) Prog, as long as it does not sound too American (and yet curiously I love the Dixie Dregs and a lot of classic Kansas).
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:46 | ||
My collection does include every studio, live and compilation album Savatage, TSO and Jon Oliva's Pain released. Every Tori Amos album (except the official bootlegs, I only have one of those), all Tool, TMV, The Dear Hunter, Coheed and Cambria, NIN studio albums and a lot of Sparks albums.
I also have all the Neurosis, Tribes of Neurot, Between The Burried And Me, maudlin of the Well, Kayo Dot, Tim Buckley, Diamanda Galas, Black Moth Super Rainbow, Kevin Gilbert, Lana Lane, Phideaux, Talking Heads, Pax Cecelia, The Residents, Planet X, Symphony X, Spock's Beard, Saviour Machine, Derek Sherinian, Synergy, John Petrucci, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, Time and Tide, Ohm, Umphrey's McGee, Ohmphrey, Steve Vai and Bardo Pond albums that I'll ever need.
...and the first eleven Dream Theatre studio albums (and Live Scenes)... and Operation Mindcrime I & II.
umm... that's it.
I've got Ooops! Wrong Planet, but that's not Prog and I've a Steely Dan single somewhere that I'd rather not talk about.
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:28 | ||
There's a new psych act called Lumerians that I'm really into at the moment. Kinda like a Krautrock take on the Westcoast styled psychedelia from the late sixties. There's a feel there you just don't get that often any more.
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sleeper
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 09 2005 Location: Entropia Status: Offline Points: 16449 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:25 | ||
Anything Toby Driver related.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:23 | ||
Crafty Hands is a great album. For me, Zappa wears the US prog crown. I also like Spocks Beard, Tool, TMV (in small doses) Some Dream Theater, and Moth Vellum (sad to hear they split. Their debut was very good) |
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:12 | ||
THE MUFFINS!!!
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 26 2013 at 13:01 | ||
Dixie Dregs and Djam Karet are good ones. (these are bands with a D this time? ) De Allman Brothers
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