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moshkito
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Topic: Pandora thinks Steely Dan is Muzak Posted: April 01 2013 at 14:44 |
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I always thought that SD would be better served in private, specially when those little pipes people were sucking on, with their band name on them, came around a few years back ... but what the heck! I know a lot of people thought was funny, and a lot of them didn't like it! I laughed way loud and hard because SD was not small!
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moshkito
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Posted: April 01 2013 at 14:38 | |
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axeman
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 19:08 | |
Ah, this is the link to "IQ": https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/study-this-remixed/id563872405
Love the discription:
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 18:30 | |
I find it hard to care about any of this.
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axeman
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 18:05 | |
"Prog" doesn't mean anything at all. It has its roots in "progressive" from the 70s. But as I mentioned on another thread, I was in on the original capitulation to the people who wanted to listen to simpler, though stranger, music "progressive" because listening to "orchestrated crap from the 70s" wasn't. Later I saw "ProgRock Radio" when streaming started on the internet, and I talked to Jerry, its original creator. He told me he used to have Steely Dan on his site but the purists complained until he took them off. Same thing was true of the guitar virtuoso Eric Johnson. Johnson was coincidentally his favorite guitarist, he wrote to me "That tears it, Eric Johnson goes back onto my site tonight!" And he said that if he got one more email that suggested the Dan was prog, he was going to put them back on, too. It's odd how people can listen to quaint pop from Caravan and include them, and want to exclude some of the finest crafted note combinations and incredibly-timed syncopation on vinyl. On a personal note, My Old School and Reeling in the Years has passed their date of expiration for me. And I could probably live my life without hearing either Peg, Hey Nineteen, or Time out of Mind. Can't say the same thing about New World Man, or King of the World or Home at Last. But that's what prog is about (to me) mixing it up. Making it interesting.
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 17:41 | |
I find Steely Dan to be bland in the extreme but certainly don't consider them 'muzak'
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axeman
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 17:34 | |
When's somebody to tell me Kandinsky, Miro or Phillip de Medici aren't prog?
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axeman
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 17:22 | |
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 17:01 | |
Yes.. ..but so do a hundred other bands who aren't in the PA list of bands.
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lucas
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 16:56 | |
He is not prog per se, but he has a lot of proggy tracks. |
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 16:55 | |
I think the Dan have a number of really good lp's but I would go with Katy Lied....of course....though Countdown and Aja are a close second.
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 16:53 | |
Which is why I rarely listen to Pandora or similar stations except at my son in law's house because he has very little prog and puts it on for me...the choices they come up with are really lame at times.
I have never considered Bowie prog and imo he's no more prog than the Dan.
btw I have never seen any VDGG on Pandora...
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lucas
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 16:42 | |
One thing is sure, they are not prog. Jazz-pop yes.
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"Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood)
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axeman
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 16:34 | |
If I listen to my rips and downloads I get just the mix I want. Some Porcupine Tree mixed with SD mixed with Big Big Train, Genesis, Gentle Giant, Yes, King Crimson (its many incarnations), Carptree, Mars Volta... But I like the unexpected, say like White Willow in my BBT station, or the occasional inclusion of Yezda Urfa when listening to Echolyn-based. Just tradeoffs, I know.
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axeman
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 15:31 | |
I waver on the Dan. My absolute favorite wavers between your namesake and Here at the Western World. Then again, there are sometimes when I feel that Royal Scam is the best song they ever recorded or Green Earring is the most infectious. Sometimes I like latter-day Dan more than some of their classics. I have actually spent periods listening to Two Against Nature and Everything Must Go more than Countdown through Aja. Although I like some stuff of Gaucho--and amazing myself, the disco-oriented Glamour Profession--Gaucho is as uneven as Pretzel Logic to me. I have the complete 1-per-decade collection of Fagen--before Sunken Condos which slipped out without my notice. And had Becker's 2 albums on MP3 until my backup disk bricked. I think overall, the best piece of music ever put out by them was Dr. Wu, which really only ever gets put out of #1 by temporary appreciation of another Dan piece. One of my few reviews--with words--on PA is on Royal Scam.
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Larree
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 15:28 | |
Well, Steely Dan does have a kind of a cool muzical quality to their muzik.
Love the dan. Was lucky to see them on their first three album tours in L.A.
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HolyMoly
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 15:23 | |
I think Pandora works by collating everyone's preferences. So if a lot of people who like Steely Dan also like (to pick a name at random) Leo Sayer, then when you come in and say you want Steely Dan, it's going to throw in some Leo Sayer too. It has little to do with any pre-branded genre tag, it's just using actual customer data that's been collected over time. The more people like you go in and say "no" to Leo Sayer, the less likely it will recommend Sayer to some other unsuspecting Danhead.
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axeman
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 15:08 | |
It's like when they play Bowie during a classic prog (say Gentle Giant) mix--I haven't found that disturbing, because it's followed by VDGG, Camel or Yes.
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Stool Man
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 14:55 | |
is it rural music?
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dr wu23
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Posted: March 28 2013 at 14:54 | |
I assume then you are a Steely Dan fan...?
Your favorite track and/or lp..?
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