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    Posted: March 29 2013 at 12:43
This album is often heralded the same way as The Stones' Exile on Main Street is - an eclectic loosely assembled record which offers up a multitude of different styles. That said, I don't think either of the two come close to being the peak of their respectable careers.
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The only Beatles album I find more than just kinda good is Revolver. They just have so many bland tracks I find it hard to take a full album of them in every case other then that one.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote The Doctor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 29 2013 at 20:42
Revolver is my favorite and the pinnacle of their career as far as I'm concerned, with Magical Mystery Tour in second (yes, I prefer it to Pepper's), Rubber Soul, Pepper's, Abbey Road follow. 
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Revolver is a perfect album I find. Every track is great. They really hit a good stride there.

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Post Options Post Options   Quote Anthony Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2013 at 03:58
Originally posted by Stool Man

Originally posted by Anthony

Originally posted by Stool Man

 
(Magical Mystery Tour was not an album, it was a double single.)
In the UK it was a double EP, in the USA it was a full album with the same tracklist as the CD version.
It wasn't an LP where The Beatles come from until 1976.  Capitol Records did it, one of those cash-in  hybrids
Isn't that exactly what I posted? As far as I know, The Beatles come from the UK.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2013 at 04:35
Originally posted by Anthony

Originally posted by Stool Man

Originally posted by Anthony

Originally posted by Stool Man

 
(Magical Mystery Tour was not an album, it was a double single.)
In the UK it was a double EP, in the USA it was a full album with the same tracklist as the CD version.
It wasn't an LP where The Beatles come from until 1976.  Capitol Records did it, one of those cash-in  hybrids
Isn't that exactly what I posted? As far as I know, The Beatles come from the UK.
What the Beatles made was a double EP, what Capitol Records made was an LP.  The Beatles did not make the Magical Mystery Tour LP, it was made by an american record company cashing in.  That's what I mean.
 
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^ you're both saying the same thing.


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I like the white album and let it be, but if you stop here there and not everywhere, you've missed out on a lot of great albums.  However, it might make musical life much simpler...
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2013 at 06:09
The "doubles" - The Beatles LP and Magical Mystery Tour EP - are, (without a shadow of doubt), my two favourite Beatles releases - the former because it is an unrestrained extravagance and the latter because it isn't.


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Originally posted by Dean

The "doubles" - The Beatles LP and Magical Mystery Tour EP - are, (without a shadow of doubt), my two favourite Beatles releases - the former because it is an unrestrained extravagance and the latter because it isn't.


Like that makes any sense at all, disciplined or undisciplined, both are sublime for the former and the latter - ain't that a classic win win they can't lose lose scenarioConfused
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 30 2013 at 06:34
Originally posted by ExittheLemming

Originally posted by Dean

The "doubles" - The Beatles LP and Magical Mystery Tour EP - are, (without a shadow of doubt), my two favourite Beatles releases - the former because it is an unrestrained extravagance and the latter because it isn't.


Like that makes any sense at all, disciplined or undisciplined, both are sublime for the former and the latter - ain't that a classic win win they can't lose lose scenarioConfused
How can it not make sense? The Beatles LP could have been easily curtailed to a single album, (and there was a lot of pressure at the time to do that), the Magical Mystery Tour EP could have easily been extended to a full album, (and again, there was a lot of pressure at the time to do that). Of course at the time, considering that anything the Fab Four released would have been hailed as "genius" and sold by the truck-load, they were always in a win-win scenario.
 
With the benefit of hindsight it is easy to make glib assessments of what they did release, but I don't regard MMT as improved by the addition of the 5 non-album singles.


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I've got the MMT EP on  CD, WTF???

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There is very little variation in their output after The White LP. Take all the The White LP and post-White songs, mix them and the outcome would be a very homogeneous quadruple album.
 
Lennon and McCartney peaked or rather stagnated on The White Album onwards. No or insignificant progression in their songwriting (from fantastic on The White Album over fantastic on Let It Be to fantastic on Abbey Road). Perhaps they were content with the style they had arrived at on The White LP.
 
Post-White they tried to add a little production flavour by using Spector and allowing George Martin more freedom but with limited effect. I suppose their music and perhaps music in general had grown up to become what and stay as it was in '68. Or they had become lazy?
 
 
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Homogeneous?  Just side 4 of the white album has an orchestra backing Ringo's lullaby ballad, Paul's 20s pastiche, and John's avant garde tapeloops, not to mention the rest of it.
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Originally posted by ExittheLemming

^ the oft maligned Revolution 9 is such because a very bad imitation of Stockhausen will never cut it as far as innovation or pushing the boundaries go. Contrary to conventional wisdom, it was McCartney who had the avant garde wanderlust , not Lennon (whose first love was always very basic primal rock'n'roll)


Ian MacDonald claims this track is actually superior as art to anything by Stockhausen.
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Originally posted by NYSPORTSFAN

Originally posted by ExittheLemming

^ the oft maligned Revolution 9 is such because a very bad imitation of Stockhausen will never cut it as far as innovation or pushing the boundaries go. Contrary to conventional wisdom, it was McCartney who had the avant garde wanderlust , not Lennon (whose first love was always very basic primal rock'n'roll)


Ian MacDonald claims this track is actually superior as art to anything by Stockhausen.
 
The important thing to remember is that lots more people actually heard Revolution 9 than anything by Stockhausen, simply because the band were hugely popular.  I imagine more future avant garde musicians were led to Stockhausen from Revolution 9 than from any other piece of music.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Gerinski Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 08:22
From a Prog frame of mind perspective, the White Album is grossly disjointed and lacking any flow or coherence, but it contains great songs anyway, one of my favourite Beatles albums even if I reckon its weaknesses. It's too bad they did not attempt to build up a concept album with it, it could have been the 1960's The Wall.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote Stool Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2013 at 08:49
could've been the 60s Wall?
Why would they stoop so low? (allowing that when the White Album came out, Pink Floyd had only made two albums, I mean)  They made a terrific double album.  If they'd just released a single album then they would've released an extra album of the other songs within a short time, and then we wouldn't have the Let It Be songs.
 
'From a prog frame of mind perspective' is irrelevant for a pre-1969 album by a pop group.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote chopper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2013 at 07:03
The Beatles is my favourite album of theirs, for its sense of humour, eclectic mix of styles and general brilliantness, however Revolver is probably their peak in terms of an overall album.
 
The Beatles, as others have said, is the work of a disintegrating band and is basically 4 solo albums (or 2.5 solo albums and 1 solo track).
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