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Dean
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 18:25 | |||||||
Rejected by Crossover soon after.
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Dean
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 18:20 | |||||||
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 18:03 | |||||||
Hey, Ultravox! That's the ticket! Actually, at one point I was going to suggest them, since some of the elements of prog are there, though it's clear now that it would meet with plenty of opposition. I bought that Garfield 2-fer CD last year, and it was my first listen of "Strange Streets"; I was already familiar with "OTT." I know the vocals probably turned off a few people, but musically I agree it's definitely in the realm. |
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 17:53 | |||||||
No, not at all. Just trying to find common ground. |
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Dean
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 16:26 | |||||||
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 16:05 | |||||||
Excuse me? Did you honestly believe I had the two confused? Can you show me where I give that impression? My point was that though there are different forums for different subjects, this is all one site and we're all here out of a love of good music.
Can you point out where you’re not being condescending in either of your answers? |
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stegor
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 12:19 | |||||||
Agreed (except for Depeche Mode)! You gotta stop somewhere, and as much as I love a lot of the usual suspects that get mentioned often (including Pere Ubu) they just don't seem to belong in ProgArchives. Edited by stegor - April 23 2013 at 12:20 |
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 11:19 | |||||||
Just because a band is progressive doesn't mean it needs to be here. By that comparison, we should have Wire and Pere Ubu in here as well. Progressive? Yes indeedy! Prog rock? No way!
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tszirmay
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 11:15 | |||||||
If you are going to suggest XTC, then might as well throw in Ultravox, John Foxx, Magazine and Depeche Mode! All are amazing bands with superb music but its just not progressive rock.!
Argent , the band did skirt the prog rim (Nexus, Circus albums) but Rod is more of a figure, rock icon kind of guy. Now Garfield was a super band from Canada with a majestically gorgeous album Out there Tonight, featuring 5-6 tracks that would bowl over any progfan
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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stegor
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Posted: April 23 2013 at 11:00 | |||||||
Funny - XTC was the first non-prog band I looked for when I was trying to find the edge of the Prog boundaries as drawn by ProgArchives. They weren't here, but it was evident that it wasn't because they weren't considered, based on the depth and width and breadth of the map.
But it didn't surprise me. XTC showed up with punk, and were instrumental in dismantling Prog right along with the Sex Pistols. I noticed that PIL, Magazine and Shriekback are missing also, which suggests to me that it's not just the style of music that designates Prog, it's also the effect that the artist had on Prog culture. Never mind that XTC was influenced by BeBop Deluxe, The Residents and Beefheart, they were here to slay the dinosaurs. So from that angle I can see why they could be considered Anti-Prog. But by killing prog they rescued it. It couldn't go on like it was. Not with Love Beach. Prog had jumped the shark. XTC was like a stealth bomber. Or maybe a Trojan horse. They looked like punk, sounded like punk, smelled like punk, and kicked Greg Lake's arse. But if you were paying attention, you might have noticed that songs like X-Wires, from their debut album, sounded more like Beefheart than The Sex Pistols. And then, when we least expected it, after they wiped out Tull, ELP, Yes and Genesis, they served up a full-on capital P Progressive Rock double album: English Settlement. Clever little pricks. So personally, I can see how they shouldn't be included, and at the same time see how they should be considered the most important Prog band of the '80's. I don't know what I would have done without them. |
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Dean
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Posted: April 22 2013 at 18:57 | |||||||
What people listen to and what they discuss in the General Music Discussions is not the same as suggesting those artists for inclusion in the PA or discussing them in a Suggest Artist thread.
I hope you are too, I gear my answers to where they are posted.
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 22 2013 at 18:32 | |||||||
You're right, it isn't. But you do have a General Music Discussion forum which gets a lot of traffic. This is what I meant when I said that everyone registered at PA listens to what he or she considers good music, otherwise would that forum be as active as it is? I'm starting to detect a little condescension here. I hope I'm wrong. |
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Dean
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Posted: April 22 2013 at 02:39 | |||||||
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 22 2013 at 00:08 | |||||||
Honestly, I can't say that it does, but then I'm not running this site. It all goes back to the neverending debate over what qualifies as prog and what doesn't, and in the end it doesn't really matter. I've never cared much for pigeonholing and labeling and categorizing anyway. Everyone should just listen to what he or she considers good music, and I think just about everyone registered at PA already does that. |
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 21 2013 at 23:52 | |||||||
I get where you're coming from, but I think your meaning could be made clearer there. Just sayin'.
Thanks, I look forward to contributing more. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 19 2013 at 04:31 | |||||||
There may be some..tenuous link between XTC and, maybe Prog Related? But a "glaring omission" it ain't.
Having said that, I'm not against thier inclusion. They have had many supporters including our former Admin, Maani. Edited by Snow Dog - April 19 2013 at 04:33 |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 19 2013 at 03:34 | |||||||
I think you misunderstand me. I DON'T think XTC should be in PA and those traits I listed above can be found in much Prog but don't of themselves qualify anyone as Prog. Does that make sense? |
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: April 19 2013 at 03:19 | |||||||
It doesn't specifically say one suggestion per thread but I think it's implied: ''You have two options for submitting a band/artist for inclusion... collect sound samples and other helpful information... as well as your explanation of why this band/artist should be added to ProgArchives.'' You can probably see how confusing things might get with people simultaneously discussing more than one artist.
Regarding the above, it's usual to support your suggestion by including sound samples (e.g. YouTube, bandcamp, soundcloud), helpful information (links to the artists official site, wiki, etc.), and a bio or other background info. You may well have already provided this info via the band submissions gmail address (I don't receive that info myself) but it's more common for members to simply post their suggestions in this part of the forum. it may take us a few days to get around to your suggestion but it will be addressed.
Also, when you search for old threads, be sure to change the ''find posts'' search filter to include ''any date'' and ''older posts'' and the ''display results as'' filter to ''topics''... you should be able to find those old threads now.
Oh, and I should have said earlier... welcome to PA and thanks for your contributions!
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 20:40 | |||||||
I wholeheartedly agree with your points, and maybe it's just me, but your points combined with mine seem to present a convincing argument for putting XTC in PA. And how would that be clutching at straws? |
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AreYouHuman
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Posted: April 18 2013 at 20:19 | |||||||
Unless there's some encrypted wording in your band submissions policy, I see nothing about one suggestion per thread. That's after reading it carefully beforehand and rereading it more carefully afterwards. Thanks for the links to the old threads, BTW. Edited by AreYouHuman - April 18 2013 at 20:22 |
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