Was prog actually popular in the 70s?? |
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cstack3
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Posted: September 05 2013 at 00:22 | |||
ZZ Top opened the show for Deep Purple in Chicago in 1972, "Made In Japan" era. They were really very impressive! Deep Purple blew our heads off, they were young & in their prime! RIP Jon Lord!
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Stool Man
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Posted: September 05 2013 at 10:17 | |||
Meanwhile, back in the rest of the world...
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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Matheusms
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Posted: September 09 2013 at 09:35 | |||
Here in Brazil, prog was never popular in terms of producing successful bands but, as far as I know, there were always lots of fans, especially for the english groups.You probably already know Bacamarte but there were few other bands that got recognition like O Terço and Vimana. Musicians like Milton Nascimento were very influenced by prog acts; in his amazing album Minas, it gets quite obvious in songs like Ponta de Areia and Trastevere - both of them also very influenced by the american fusion.
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geekfreak
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Posted: January 03 2014 at 18:50 | |||
It sure did. Other people have said it right, Floyd, Tull, ELP, Crimson where. selling more album`s but. Genesis to me where the top. Progressive `70`s band. there live show`s where WOW. But there where other band`s with a great following. But not the hot`s seller`s in Prog!. I had a great time being a. Teenager. Of the `70`s. Buying the just released album. Then the gig. That was a very time. To be sure
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progbethyname
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Posted: January 03 2014 at 20:08 | |||
Genesis are like The Beatles with me, they are the Masters of melody. I adore Genesis for how they create unbelievable melody along with solid progressive tendencies in their music...well at least up until 1980. :) Out of all the bands mentioned in your post my beloved would be Genesis with Floyd riding shot-gun. |
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Stool Man
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 03:55 | |||
"Actually popular" (in thread title) is best judged by sales.
Best selling albums ever:
1. Thriller. (released in 1982, so is outside the scope of this discussion)
2. Dark Side Of The Moon.
I rest my case.
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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Toaster Mantis
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 06:33 | |||
That must have been a confusing experience for quite a few people in the audience. I'm not sure there's very much overlap between the three groups' fanbases, even though KC played some pretty heavy stuff at the time. |
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moshkito
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Posted: January 04 2014 at 11:37 | |||
Mostly because they were loud, not because they were that good on stage. When I saw them at the Long Beach Arena, with Leon Russell, they were out of tune, too loud, and I walked out before halfway in the show. It was ridiculous that such a "big" and "famous" band would sound that bad! There is no excuse for a band that made that much money! One of the main reasons, why I do not consider them as important a band as others!
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Big Ears
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Posted: January 06 2014 at 11:41 | |||
Heavy and progressive rock were 'underground' in the seventies, even if the bands sold a lot of albums.
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Stool Man
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 08:48 | |||
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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twosteves
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 08:59 | |||
I think I know what he means---they had a cultish following--a big one but not popularly accepted like Zep, Stones, Who, Eagles, CSNY, etc
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Stool Man
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 09:21 | |||
Let's have another peek at the UK album charts forty years ago. http://www.officialcharts.com/archive-chart/_/3/1974-01-05/
This week forty years ago the Number 1 album was Tales From Topographic Oceans. The Number 2 album was Brain Salad Surgery. Not enough? Further down the list we have Dark Side Of The Moon still in the Top 20 after almost a year.
What's your definition of "properly accepted"? To me, it means 'normal' people buy the music. (ie not people who mainly consider themself prog fans)
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 09:24 | |||
Well, there are also a lot of people who debate about just how prog Pink Floyd are, as opposed to bands like KC or ELP which are more or less unanimously regarded as prog. I have twice had the opportunity to listen to Casey's Coast to Coast American top 40 programs on a radio channel that for whatever reason sees fit to play their selections for different years from the 1970s. I came across 1975 and 1977 and both years were dominated by pop. The situation might have been different in UK but not only was there nothing proggy, let alone out and out prog, in the top 10 on both occasions, it wasn't particularly different from or better than whatever passes for the top 40 these days. There were barely any songs I found enjoyable at all. So even if prog was popular in the 70s (vis a vis its popularity or lack of today), I doubt it was top 10 popular even at that time.
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Stool Man
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 09:26 | |||
It was top 10 popular, it was Number 1 popular - see my post above.
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rotten hound of the burnie crew
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 09:31 | |||
That's one album from the entire 1970s and the only other Pink Floyd album which rivalled DSOTM's popularity was The Wall. That is not enough of a sample to be representative of the whole. Even at the height of their popularity, were Yes or ELP ever as popular as ABBA or Eagles or BeeGees? I doubt very much. A band like Yes may have touched #1 on the album charts but not finished very often, if at all, at the top of the year end charts. THAT requires a lot more popularity. Even Idler Wheel opened at no.3 in the first week of its release but Fiona Apple is obviously not top 10 popular, not anymore at any rate.
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Dean
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 09:36 | |||
When people who were there say it was popular why not just accept their word?
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rogerthat
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 09:39 | |||
^^^ If that is a response to my post, I have not heard anybody who actually lived in the 1970s say prog was as popular as the most popular pop music during that period. What was YOUR experience, if I may? I am not disputing that it was popular, I am just responding to Stool Man's juxtaposition of DSOTM and Thriller, both of which are outliers.
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Evolver
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 10:33 | |||
I was there. Bands like Yes, ELP, Kansas, Jethro Tull, Renaissance, etc. regularly received extensive airplay, although they often had severely edited versions of songs played. These same bands were also the biggest arena fillers of the time. The pop bands were mostly relegated to the smaller venues.
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Big Ears
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 11:21 | |||
They did not get airplay, TV coverage or media attention and there was no internet. |
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tszirmay
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Posted: January 07 2014 at 11:49 | |||
Maybe where you were but in Montreal in the early 70s, Europe's stepping stone into America, prog was huge , local radio had a large prog content, concerts like Gentle Giant filled arenas (16k), magazines, TV shows (Don Kirshner's) , ELP and Floyd at the Olympic stadium. I was there and I saw it! Thick as a Brick was in every collection. Was it everywhere like this? probably not, pockets of resistance existed where rock ruled supreme.
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