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Originally posted by Pietro Otello Romano Pietro Otello Romano wrote:

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Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.


I do!... I don't think Doors were any good at all, on my opinion  they were just a overvalued commercial band, in line with the time that were generally on an higher level than now, but as a phenomenon they were not better than U2 or Michael Jackson. They are the shame of Prog Archives. I am sorry for the Doors fan but on my opinion they shouldn't be here at all!   LOL

Bzuh? "Overvalued commercial band"? It's well past April Fool's Day, so I have to assume you're being serious, if not a bit depleted in cognitive ability. The Doors certainly had hit singles, but I would suggest that they were not at all "commercial" in either composition, lyrics or philosophy. Far from it. If anything, they spurned greater commercial success.

For instance, Jim Morrison refused to censor the song "Light My Fire" on the Ed Sullivan Show, and they were never invited back again. Even the Rolling Stones, the supposed bad boys of rock, backed down and changed the lyrics of "Let's Spend the Night Together" for the Sullivan Show due to its enormous popularity. But Morrison did not care.

Definitely proto-prog, and certainly more adventurous than half the bands labeled prog.
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The Doors were one of the most innovative and experimental bands of late 60s, so they were definitely some kind of protoype of prog. Pretty much close to what we call prog actually, way closer than The Beatles.
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Originally posted by Pietro Otello Romano Pietro Otello Romano wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.


I do!... I don't think Doors were any good at all, on my opinion  they were just a overvalued commercial band, in line with the time that were generally on an higher level than now, but as a phenomenon they were not better than U2 or Michael Jackson. They are the shame of Prog Archives. I am sorry for the Doors fan but on my opinion they shouldn't be here at all!   LOL
Sorry, but opinion and preference is irrelevant, they can be the worse band in the whole world ever for all it matters. We don't judge the quality of the artist when including them in the archive. 
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^ No. No.....

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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.


I do!... I don't think Doors were any good at all, on my opinion  they were just a overvalued commercial band, in line with the time that were generally on an higher level than now, but as a phenomenon they were not better than U2 or Michael Jackson. They are the shame of Prog Archives. I am sorry for the Doors fan but on my opinion they shouldn't be here at all!   LOL
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The Doors did some great tracks.

Love how their music was used at the beginning of the "Apocalypse Now" movie.

I read the drummer John Densmore's autobiography "Riders On The Storm", a very interesting book that has a lot of information about the band without the typical sensationalism.

I've heard that the recent documentary DVD "When You're Strange" is very good but I haven't had a chance to see it yet.
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The Doors weren't psychedelic?





Hmmm....from my experience, they went along with mushrooms quite well.

Anyway, from a progressive psychedelic standpoint, the monk bought lunch.
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Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:

Progressive? Yes. Prog? No.


I agree.

The Doors weren't for example Symphonic rock or Canterbury rock, but they were progressive rock band.

Also, I agree that the term 'prog' doesn't mean anymore a short of progressive rock only. Maybe it's not fair but that's the reality. At present day, Prog is a genre with a number of 'retro' bands who are playing recycled music of '70s symphonic rock and we call them Symphonic Prog and / or Neo Prog because those bands are able to recycle 70s symphonic rock clishes more or less gracefuly, but there's no way to recycle an essential progressive band from '60s - The Doors.

EDIT: I agree with NotAProgHead that The Doors weren't Psychedelic and / or Acid Rock band.

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To return to the original questions: yes, they were beyond a doubt progressive, and I'll let it go at that without getting into all the progressive/prog hair-splitting.

Among their most progressive songs, IMO:

Break on Through
Strange Days
The End
The Crystal Ship
The Unknown Soldier
Not to Touch the Earth
Spanish Caravan
The Soft Parade
Light My Fire
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Originally posted by NotAProghead NotAProghead wrote:


^ I agree with most Dean's points, though in my opinion The Doors never were true Psychedelic or Acid Rock band.


Maby so, but they sure did pop some trips to make it happen.
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Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

I like them a lot, that's enough for me. Labels are something the industri needs for promotion, reviewers for categorization. As I listener it doesn't matter.
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Points: 14169 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 22:34
Progressive? Yes. Prog? No.
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Points: 15916 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 19:44
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
Why ask the question then - if they are Proto-Prog, then one considers them 'Progressive', no ?? - just before the fact.......
Dunno, don't ask me I only work here.
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Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
Why ask the question then - if they are Proto-Prog, then one considers them 'Progressive', no ?? - just before the fact.......
Dunno, don't ask me I only work here. People seem to like asking redundant questions. We get that a lot. Would you believe we've even had wet behind the ears whipper-snappers questioning whether Pink Floyd is Prog?
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Ermm I don't think anyone's questioning their worthiness for Proto Prog.
Why ask the question then - if they are Proto-Prog, then one considers them 'Progressive', no ?? - just before the fact.......
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Points: 7678 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 18 2013 at 17:38
^ I agree with most Dean's points, though in my opinion The Doors never were true Psychedelic or Acid Rock band.

Edited by NotAProghead - May 18 2013 at 17:39
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