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    Posted: December 16 2013 at 07:33
Originally posted by dr wu23

Charles Fort, who you mentioned in your Forteana thread, also brought up this idea about 'alien visitors' back in the late 30's and said that 'we were someone else's property'.


I don't remember Fort explaining those "someone else" as by necessity coming from another planet - or am I getting him confused with John Keel again?
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis

The ancient astronaut theory had been a staple of science-fiction literature for a while before Von Däniken started presenting it as a "serious" hypothesis, though. There it had been popularized by H. P. Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness published in 1931, and I think it was basically a fantastic take on the now-discredited archeological theory of hyperdiffusionism (best known around my part of the woods from Thor Heyerdahl) - its Panbabylonist variety in particular.No idea if Lovecraft subscribed to "real" hyperdiffusionism, though. The 1930s seem to have been when it fell out of favour with academic archeologists.


Now you've done it. A band is going to record an album under the name PanBabylonia! Mellotrons and pan flutes galore!
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As mention earlier, "Into The Void" by Black Sabbath. Reminds me a lot of the Twilight Zone episode "Third From The Sun", where this family plans to smuggle a top secret spaceship to escape their Earth which is spiraling into World War III.

Would The Man Machine by Kraftwerk count as sci-fi? Lyrically it doesn't do much, but it music does conjure up images of Fritz Lang's Metropolis.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2013 at 09:16
Originally posted by Toaster Mantis

The ancient astronaut theory had been a staple of science-fiction literature for a while before Von Däniken started presenting it as a "serious" hypothesis, though. There it had been popularized by H. P. Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness published in 1931, and I think it was basically a fantastic take on the now-discredited archeological theory of hyperdiffusionism (best known around my part of the woods from Thor Heyerdahl) - its Panbabylonist variety in particular.

No idea if Lovecraft subscribed to "real" hyperdiffusionism, though. The 1930s seem to have been when it fell out of favour with academic archeologists.
Charles Fort, who you mentioned in your Forteana thread, also brought up this idea about 'alien visitors' back in the late 30's and said that 'we were someone else's property'.
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The ancient astronaut theory had been a staple of science-fiction literature for a while before Von Däniken started presenting it as a "serious" hypothesis, though. There it had been popularized by H. P. Lovecraft's At the Mountains of Madness published in 1931, and I think it was basically a fantastic take on the now-discredited archeological theory of hyperdiffusionism (best known around my part of the woods from Thor Heyerdahl) - its Panbabylonist variety in particular.

No idea if Lovecraft subscribed to "real" hyperdiffusionism, though. The 1930s seem to have been when it fell out of favour with academic archeologists.
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Originally posted by AreYouHuman

Eventually Von Daniken admitted that there were some outright fabrications in his writing, in particular the section of “The Gold of the Gods” in which he claimed to have been guided through a series of artificial tunnels in Ecuador filled with gold artifacts that he was certain were of extraterrestrial origin. So yes, some of his work could be considered science fiction of a sort.
Yes I'm aware that Mr. von Däniken is not particularly known for his honesty, having inclusively been arrested in the past on fraud charges Disapprove Nonetheless he did formulate an intriguing hypothesis with curious and interesting ideas, even though they may turn out to be completely wrong (which of course is highly unlikely... Wink LOL)


Erich has said what he's really doing is asking questions, hence the title of his most famous book, Chariots Of The Gods?

He seems like a really nice guy, too!
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Anyone mentioned this album yet?
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Originally posted by AreYouHuman

Eventually Von Daniken admitted that there were some outright fabrications in his writing, in particular the section of “The Gold of the Gods” in which he claimed to have been guided through a series of artificial tunnels in Ecuador filled with gold artifacts that he was certain were of extraterrestrial origin. So yes, some of his work could be considered science fiction of a sort.


Yes I'm aware that Mr. von Däniken is not particularly known for his honesty, having inclusively been arrested in the past on fraud charges Disapprove Nonetheless he did formulate an intriguing hypothesis with curious and interesting ideas, even though they may turn out to be completely wrong (which of course is highly unlikely... Wink LOL)
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Eventually Von Daniken admitted that there were some outright fabrications in his writing, in particular the section of “The Gold of the Gods” in which he claimed to have been guided through a series of artificial tunnels in Ecuador filled with gold artifacts that he was certain were of extraterrestrial origin. So yes, some of his work could be considered science fiction of a sort.
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Originally posted by Toaster Mantis

Erich von Däniken presented his ancient astronaut stories as non-fictional, though.


Indeed, von Däniken's books are not science fiction at all. As unlikely as his ideas may seem, they are serious (well, at least to Ancient Astronaut theorists Wink) hypothesis in fringe science and archaeology.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote DreamReaper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2013 at 18:26
José Cid's 10.000 Anos Depois Entre Vénus e Marte is a wonderful sci-fi rock opera Thumbs Up

http://www.progarchives.com/progressive_rock_discography_covers/669/cover_94162822009.jpg


And Muse's Exogenesis: Symphony is a great example of modern sci-fi prog:








Oh and by the way, i cant wait for George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire to be turned into an epic prog metal album trilogy Wink
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Erich von Däniken presented his ancient astronaut stories as non-fictional, though.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 07 2013 at 18:35
Originally posted by moshkito

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In Search of Ancient Gods. The album had Bill Bruford and a couple of folks from Brand X, I think! Very nice album, too!


Absolute Elsewhere...indeed, a goody! Inspired/based on the books of Erich von Daniken.
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In Search of Ancient Gods. The album had Bill Bruford and a couple of folks from Brand X, I think! Very nice album, too!
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Post Options Post Options   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 05 2013 at 03:00
Originally posted by AreYouHuman

Another one inspired by an actual story: Hawkwind - Damnation Alley, from the Roger Zelazny novel.


If the movie ever gets the remake it deserves, they ought to use Hawkwind's song AND make the central character a tool the way Zelazny wrote him. I've no doubt John Carpenter's Snake Plissken was inspired by Hell Tanner.
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Originally posted by octopus-4

I remember a novel by John Varley (or John Shirley maybe) in which something was happening at a concert of Blue Oyster Cult. Sci-Fi Quoting Prog(related) instead of vice versa.

I don't remember the title of that novel, it was about a "living city" and was published around the end of the 80s.


wasn't that a trilogy set on a kind of living, hollow world around Saturn or Titan? I think the first one was even called "Titan" if I'm not wrong but it's been a while since I've read it so I could be completely wrong LOL


The trilogy is composed of Titan, Wizard, and Demon.  Love those books.
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Post Options Post Options   Quote AreYouHuman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 29 2013 at 23:21
While not necessarily prog, Roy Wood's “Boulders” contains a song called Miss Clarke and the Computer in which he sings from the POV of the latter in a nasal, inflectionless tone about his growing emotional attachment to his female handler. It’s pretty hilarious now because of the way-outdated views on computer technology. And it’s even all-acoustic to boot. (pun intended)

Another one inspired by an actual story: Hawkwind - Damnation Alley, from the Roger Zelazny novel.






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Post Options Post Options   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 28 2013 at 17:22
Originally posted by ProgressiveAttic

Check out the set-list for the "Prog Rock & Sci-Fi" series I did for my radio show:

Part I

Part II

Part III

Thank you, that is a fine contribution to our thread!  I forgot "Machine Messiah" by Yes!  Doh! Ouch
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I'm sure this was mentioned  but I'm too tired to read the whole thread right now.....I just saw a review of Julians Treatment on the home page so ......
Savarin is also a sci-fi writer though I have not read any of his novels which is odd for me since I'm an avid sci-fi fan but never came across any of his novels.
 
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