Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Sci-Fi in Prog
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Sci-Fi in Prog

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 89101112 14>
Author
Message
Dean View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout

Joined: May 13 2007
Location: Albion
Status: Offline
Points: 33150
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dean Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 13:04
^ Dune is too sprawling for even a six-album set, that's why film & tv adaptions fall short. The more successful (and rewarding) adaptions have often been of short stories rather than full-blown novels, though I think some of Herbert's short stories (The Priests of Psi) or one of his self-contained novels could be adapted quite well to musical interpretation such as The Santaroga Barrier, or even one of the shorter series like the Consentient series (The Dosadi Experiment & The Whipping Star), for example . The problem therein is less people have read them so the stories are not as well known.
 
 


If you cannot be wise, pretend to be someone who is wise and then just behave like they would - Neil Gaiman
Back to Top
Queytan View Drop Down
Forum Newbie (< 5 posts)
Forum Newbie (< 5 posts)
Avatar

Joined: June 10 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 3
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Queytan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 13:12
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has further opinions on Magma's use of sci-fi, particularly to what extent Magma perform from the perspective of Koba´ans. I've always seen Magma's music as the telling of Koba´an history, myths, and legends (hence "Mythes et Legendes" and the use of the Koba´an language), which can sort of be seen in their subject matter - great wars and uprisings in a time of hatred (Theusz Hamtaahk), a legendary man's quest for enlightenment (K÷hntark÷sz), etc. Furthermore, a lot of it certainly has a feeling of religious music to it, and on a less subtle note several points in K÷hntark÷sz Anteria feature the word 'hallelujah' quite prominently.

In other words, I feel like a real point of interest in Magma's music isn't so much the epic tales they tell, but the image that builds of the strange, far-off culture that desires to tell these stories through this music. A little view of Koba´an culture, interestingly constructed through music largely with lyrics we cannot possibly understand.

Anyone else get this impression?
Back to Top
cstack3 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: July 20 2009
Location: Chicago, IL USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2276
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 13:33
Originally posted by MustardSea MustardSea wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

The OP commands "QUIET!!"  Pinch

What a rowdy lot!!  

However, I really appreciate your passion for the topic, AND your own bands, countries etc.!  

Which sci fi novel do any of you think would have potential for a prog composition?  I'd suggest "Ringworld"! 


A few years ago someone, somewhere here in this forum suggested a musical re-interpretation of the "Dune" series in the form of a six album spanning concept record in the style of Tangerine Dream's "Zeit" - now that's something I'd LOVE to hear! Cool

As would I!  There are many great sci-fi epics that would generate some excellent concept albums...
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 2130
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2013 at 13:36
Philip JosÚ Farmer's Dayworld would make a nifty concept album.
Back to Top
VOTOMS View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: April 18 2013
Location: KOBAIA
Status: Offline
Points: 882
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VOTOMS Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 10:48
Back to Top
Knobby View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 31 2013
Location: Ontario
Status: Offline
Points: 490
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Knobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 11:22
I see no one wants Shatner's books given the concept cd treatment.
Back to Top
verslibre View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 01 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 2130
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 11:23
Originally posted by Knobby Knobby wrote:

I see no one wants Shatner's books given the concept cd treatment.


Maybe because he didn't write them.
Back to Top
bucka001 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 16 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 616
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bucka001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 11:28
Originally posted by Queytan Queytan wrote:

I'd be interested to hear if anyone has further opinions on Magma's use of sci-fi, particularly to what extent Magma perform from the perspective of Koba´ans. I've always seen Magma's music as the telling of Koba´an history, myths, and legends (hence "Mythes et Legendes" and the use of the Koba´an language), which can sort of be seen in their subject matter - great wars and uprisings in a time of hatred (Theusz Hamtaahk), a legendary man's quest for enlightenment (K÷hntark÷sz), etc. Furthermore, a lot of it certainly has a feeling of religious music to it, and on a less subtle note several points in K÷hntark÷sz Anteria feature the word 'hallelujah' quite prominently.

In other words, I feel like a real point of interest in Magma's music isn't so much the epic tales they tell, but the image that builds of the strange, far-off culture that desires to tell these stories through this music. A little view of Koba´an culture, interestingly constructed through music largely with lyrics we cannot possibly understand.

Anyone else get this impression?
 
I love Magma, but relate to it purely on a musical / voice level. I know about the mythology but I just like the over-the-top nature of the music & vocals. They're such a f*ck'd up band (in a good way) that them being over-the-top is brilliant in a way that Yes (with Tales, etc) isn't. There's a sort of "serious fun" vibe to Magma's mythology and music (sort of like Sun Ra or Funkadelic) but I really don't think much about the story line when I'm listening to them; I just like the music and vocals.
jc
Back to Top
Queytan View Drop Down
Forum Newbie (< 5 posts)
Forum Newbie (< 5 posts)
Avatar

Joined: June 10 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 3
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Queytan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 12:45
Originally posted by bucka001 bucka001 wrote:

 

I love Magma, but relate to it purely on a musical / voice level. I know about the mythology but I just like the over-the-top nature of the music & vocals. They're such a f*ck'd up band (in a good way) that them being over-the-top is brilliant in a way that Yes (with Tales, etc) isn't. There's a sort of "serious fun" vibe to Magma's mythology and music (sort of like Sun Ra or Funkadelic) but I really don't think much about the story line when I'm listening to them; I just like the music and vocals.

Yeah, I agree about the Sun-Ra and Funkadelic similarities in a way. I think it's important to remember that while we're all talking about prog and sci-fi, funk and jazz deal with sci-fi imagery as well, often predating the sci-fi prog epics but dealing less with the literary side of it. Magma seem to have a slightly more complex vision and a more serious way of projecting it. In particular I'd put the difference down to Funkadelic being truly about the funk: the characters in their mythology represent different aspects relating to funk. The Flashlight gives funk to the world, the Bop Gun is a more small scale method of quickly making something funky, Sir Nose D'voidoffunk is the unfunky antagonist, etc etc. With Magma it doesn't seem quite so, and the mythology seems like something that could potentially exist without the music there, however closely tied the two things are. It's more similar to actual mythologies, and I always get the impression there's something to be said about what it is to be a "Koba´an" based on this. Vander definitely seems like enough of a monomaniac to have considered it on some level.

Perhaps I'm just looking into it a little too much though?
Back to Top
cstack3 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: July 20 2009
Location: Chicago, IL USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2276
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 14:06
Hmmm...we forget Wakeman's "Journey to the Center of the Earth"  Jules Vergne sure qualifies for the sci fi category! 

BTW, RIP Gary Pickford-Hopkins!  

Back to Top
bucka001 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 16 2005
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 616
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bucka001 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 26 2013 at 14:41
Originally posted by Queytan Queytan wrote:


Perhaps I'm just looking into it a little too much though?
 
I dunno, maybe not. Even without focusing on what's being sung about (as if one could follow Kobaiin anyway), I agree with you that there is something almost religious and, certainly, apocolyptic & heavy (wars, struggles, combined with moments of sheer beauty) inherent in their music. So, maybe it does all come through even without knowing what it's supposed to be about.
jc
Back to Top
kenethlevine View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Prog-Folk Team

Joined: December 06 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1703
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2013 at 21:08
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Eloy from 1975 through to about 1983 did nothing else but sc-fi based prog. Time To Turn is my favourite but Ocean is probably their most popular album.
yeah agreed on all counts
Back to Top
kenethlevine View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Prog-Folk Team

Joined: December 06 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1703
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2013 at 21:28
how about the excellent Michael Moorcock penned "Veteran of the Psychic Wars" performed by Blue Oyster Cult on "For of Unknown Origin".  They also dabbled in horror with "Godzilla" and "Nosferatu"

Grobschnitt's "Rockpommel's Land" (maybe more fantasy?)

Alan Parsons Project "I Robot"

hey how about "Come Sail Away"by STYX?


Back to Top
progbethyname View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 30 2012
Location: DAC LAND
Status: Offline
Points: 5106
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progbethyname Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2013 at 22:42
^ I ROBOT for sure!

One of the best!

Threshold still have all the goods that makes them one of the best classic rock/Prog metal bands in the world. 2014's For The Journey is worth a serious listen.
Back to Top
Knobby View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 31 2013
Location: Ontario
Status: Offline
Points: 490
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Knobby Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 28 2013 at 20:26
Earth & Fire - andromeda girl
Amin Bhatia - interstellar suite
Mike Batt -zero zero (Orwellian)
Tetelaestai  rare  early 80s  scifi US band
Artificial Intelligence - """"" (maybe I said this one already?)
Sturat Hamm - radio free Albemuth (Phillip K Dick)
Bevis Frond - miskatonic
Sternreiter  '82 germ
Pinhas - chronolyse (Dune)
Ramases - space hymns
12th Night - fact & fiction (big brother)
David Vorhaus - re-entry
FM - black noise, surveillance
 
 
GET DOWN ONNIT!
Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 5685
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 29 2013 at 16:09
Originally posted by Queytan Queytan wrote:

...
In other words, I feel like a real point of interest in Magma's music isn't so much the epic tales they tell, but the image that builds of the strange, far-off culture that desires to tell these stories through this music. A little view of Koba´an culture, interestingly constructed through music largely with lyrics we cannot possibly understand.
...
 
I am not sure that Christian Vander is that interested in this at all. I think he knows and understands the connection to "science-fiction", or to any other literary link (Germanic Lore specially), to the point that if he has to sit and explain the wording and what he thought at the time, that the individuality and autonomy of the singing and work ... will lose its strength.
 
Somehow, it might be better if God is not going to be reached by anyone, and not "found" so we can go around saying that I am and you start laughing, or crying, or throwing stones!
 
I think it best to just let it lie, and not say anything ... and let people define/decide for themselves what it might, or might not mean ... and I personally think that is the greatest value of all this work!
 
I personally hope they never divulge anything! I have to tell you how many times I have laughed myself silly and off the couch by some folks attacking this music and stuff as "nazi" this or that. I seriously doubt that Christian is that interested in the political BS around his time, place and ... above all ... music! And Stella makes sure he does not deviate from it ... which is even better!
... none of the hits, none of the time ... you might actually find your own art, or self, and forego lousy heroes or Guru's!

www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
kenethlevine View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Prog-Folk Team

Joined: December 06 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 1703
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kenethlevine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2013 at 20:19
has anyone mentioned Geoff Wayne's musical version of the war of the worlds?
Back to Top
cstack3 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
VIP Member

Joined: July 20 2009
Location: Chicago, IL USA
Status: Offline
Points: 2276
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote cstack3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 30 2013 at 21:20
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

has anyone mentioned Geoff Wayne's musical version of the war of the worlds?

No, thanks!  Do you have any more information on it?  
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 10993
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2013 at 11:14
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

has anyone mentioned Geoff Wayne's musical version of the war of the worlds?

No, thanks!  Do you have any more information on it?  

Justin Hayward sings Forever Autumn and the rest is crapTongue

ok I know some like it but for me a 'cast' that includes David Essex and some girl who was in a TV show called 'Rock Follies' does not a great album make imo
Back to Top
richardh View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: February 18 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 10993
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote richardh Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 01 2013 at 11:15
btw it's Jeff Wayne
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <1 89101112 14>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.01
Copyright ©2001-2014 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.115 seconds.