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Poll Question: Besides Billy Cobham, who would be your next fave jazz-rock drummer?
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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

 the term Prog is "post-post-modernist" looking back on the time - in the 70s it was generally called fusion or jazz-rock or even avant-garde....

Am I reading this right? In the 70s prog was generally called fusion or jazz-rock? Confused

That's depending on the style - jazzrock, symphonic rock (British and Italian bands mostly), flash rock, krautrock, Kosmische Musik ...

Not sure what you mean by that. He seems to be saying that prog was called jazz-rock in the 70s, which clearly is wrong.
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Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

Nice to resurrect this thread as my first post :-)

My vote goes to Pierre Moerlen - so talented

other notables being
Pip Pyle and Christian Vander

modern guys who impress me are
Gavin Harrison, Virgil Donati, Mangine and Portnoy
Portnoy and Harrison are jazz-rock drummers?

I'd say so - the term Prog is "post-post-modernist" looking back on the time - in the 70s it was generally called fusion or jazz-rock or even avant-garde.... so I'm being a bit loose with the terminology.  All these guys are so good they could play whatever you threw at them so labels are just labels :-).

Whilst I'm at it I'll add Thomas Pridgen to the list of modern guys that impress me.

Progressive Rock as a term is almost as old as the music it attemnt to describe. Perhaps the shortened version "Prog Rock" is younger but anyway you look at namechecking Portnoy and Garrison among your handful of favorite jazz rock drummers suggests you're not too familiar with jazz rock drumming.


Yeah pretty much this.  I've never heard Portnoy play anything resembling "jazz-rock" ever.
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Wow, you guys are fierce about vague labelling of similar music styles.  (and a bit rude).  Were you around in the 60s / 70s?

I wonder what defines jazz-rock to you?  Does it need to go splang-lang-a-lang?

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=96965


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Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

Wow, you guys are fierce about vague labelling of similar music styles.  (and a bit rude).  Were you around in the 60s / 70s?

I wonder what defines jazz-rock to you?  Does it need to go splang-lang-a-lang?

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=96965

As Dr Wu writes in your link: The term Progressive Rock was in use as early as 1968. Older UK-prog fans will confirm it was a kind of hype about this "scene" (but not worldwide just yet) and written about in newspapers, music magazines etc... 

John Paul Jones: Well, we always used to think that Zeppelin was a progressive rock band until it became[laughing] a slightly dirty word. Well, we thought we played progressive rock. People asked, "What sort of band are you?" I said I had played progressively – progressive rock – thinking that it just meant forward-thinking as opposed to anything [inaudible, laughing].

I have no strict definition of jazz rock, but strict enough not to include Porcupine Tree or Dream Theater.


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Originally posted by Drumstruck Drumstruck wrote:

Wow, you guys are fierce about vague labelling of similar music styles.  (and a bit rude).  Were you around in the 60s / 70s?

I wonder what defines jazz-rock to you?  Does it need to go splang-lang-a-lang?

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=96965
Yes I was around in the 60s and 70s. No rudeness was intended on my part, I was just saying that there is no way you can describe Mike Portnoy as a jazz-rock drummer. No doubt a drummer of his skill could play it, but I have a fair number of his CDs and none of them feature jazz-rock.
 
And even in the 70s we were quite clear on the difference between progressive and jazz rock.


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