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infocat
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: June 10 2011 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 4671 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 10:18 | ||
...Fool For A Lifetime
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HolyMoly
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26133 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 09:01 | ||
To be King for a day...
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My other avatar is a Porsche
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 08:44 | ||
Still, if I were King For A Day, I'd add them here.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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HolyMoly
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26133 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 08:08 | ||
1. I love XTC, I have every one of their albums and have been a fan for decades
2. I see no reason to include them in the archives of a site focused on progressive rock 3. I still love them anyway. 4. They are not a "glaring omission". That implies that everyone but you is too stupid to realize that they haven't been added, and that's a mean thing to say.
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My other avatar is a Porsche
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 07:48 | ||
Uh, we already have band "Y" here, so why shouldn't we add band "X"? |
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 07:17 | ||
Your hyperbole-laden histrionics do you proud, if perhaps tending to paint an image not dissimilar to that which you are lambasting, though to be honest I don't see how a simple "No, they're not Prog" constitutes fire and brimstone evangelical sermonising. However, does not alter the fact we do not include band "Y" just because band "X" is here. We could include every "clever" band that ever existed and rename ourselves the Quite Interesting Music Archives since then Prog Related would contain more bands and artists than all the other subgenres and categories put together, and if we go there people will still decry that their favourite band isn't listed for not being quite interestingly clever enough so expansionism would dictate that we rename ourselves Not Manufactured Pop Archives until such a day as Justin Bieber records a duet with Jon Anderson and we become another RYM clone. But we do none of those things - we are selective - (picky if you like) - with the idea of keeping the Prog Related section to a representative size such that it does not dominate any other subgenre here... There is no empirical formula to this, or even any planned or stated intent - somewhere around 150 bands seems big enough (yeah, there are possibly some I would cull (an unknown and/or obscure band has no place in PR for example) and possibly some I would move to other subs and there are perhaps some bands that should perhaps be there and some that perhaps should not, it's not an exact science - it's like sorting your offspring (or family or friends) in order of preference, we can do it, it doesn't mean we should). There are some bands that a strong case could be made to include, (like The Stranglers, Magazine or Wire), but that still does not mean they can or will be included, infact since it is merely a representation it could even argued that if band "X" is here we don't need to add band "Y" (thinking specifically Megabreth vs Metalicacaca) Edited by Dean - July 04 2013 at 07:19 |
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someone_else
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: May 02 2008 Location: Going Bananas Status: Offline Points: 24019 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 06:00 | ||
XTC are imho a remotely prog-related new wave outfit. Just like the Talking Heads, they belong to a twilight zone of bands and artists will be suggested and rejected every now and then until they are finally included, if they ever be.
Haven't they been included and deleted before, a long time ago? |
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Snow Dog
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 23 2005 Location: Caerdydd Status: Offline Points: 32995 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 05:35 | ||
I have no idea why Talking Heads are here, didn't even know. Seems bizarre to me but what do I know? Have never heard the others so can't comment. But even in Prog Related....XTC.....well i don't see it.
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lazland
Prog Reviewer Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 13312 |
Posted: July 04 2013 at 00:58 | ||
I cannot be held responsible for the idiocy of others, I am afraid. Personally, I would get rid of prog related altogether, and scrap most of the sub genres as well. This argument, it is fair to say, has been somewhat controversial, and has got me in trouble with a number of collabs. It is not down to me, ultimately m@x runs the site. None of the above detracts from one simple truth. XTC are not prog, not even related to it. In fact, your tiger with toothache is closer, dear chap. Perhaps we should send him for eval?
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Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org
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AreYouHuman
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 12 2013 Location: Michigan Status: Offline Points: 470 |
Posted: July 03 2013 at 21:01 | ||
Hey Gooner,
Feel your pain, amigo, feel your pain. I suggested XTC a couple months ago, considering them, like yourself, to be a "glaring omission," and it was like I’d wandered onto a Southern Baptist Convention site, with all the pulpit-pounding over why they should be excluded.
The fact that you “keep” getting them should tell you something. The Church, Talking Heads and Oingo Boingo are on PA as Prog Related or Crossover Prog, and yet when anyone suggests putting XTC in Prog Related you’d think we’re suggesting performing no-anesthetic dental surgery on a tiger. |
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Gooner
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 14 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 312 |
Posted: July 01 2013 at 08:56 | ||
Here's 2 examples of many why XTC belongs here as "prog related":
(For the record, I like Oingo Boingo...but if they're here so should XTC as "prog related", IMHO) Jason And The Argonauts http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQIklhh-MuI Deliver Us From The Elements http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kwE_yUz5tY Edited by Gooner - July 01 2013 at 10:27 |
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chopper
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 13 2005 Location: Essex, UK Status: Offline Points: 19957 |
Posted: July 01 2013 at 06:42 | ||
I've no idea who Oingo Boingo are but I'm with Dean on this one. XTC are one of my favourite bands but I don't see them as being "prog". Maybe we could wangle them an entry as prog-related via Dave Gregory but that's about it.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: July 01 2013 at 01:18 | ||
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infocat
Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: June 10 2011 Location: Colorado, USA Status: Offline Points: 4671 |
Posted: June 30 2013 at 23:37 | ||
Oingo Boingo was added recently, and I fully expected an uproar when that occurred. But I've not yet seen one!
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Luna
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 28 2010 Location: Funky Town Status: Offline Points: 12794 |
Posted: June 30 2013 at 21:58 | ||
cough cough Buckethead cough cough
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thellama73
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
Posted: June 30 2013 at 21:57 | ||
Wait, Oingo Boingo is here? When did that happen? Seriously, one of my favorite bands of all time, have all their albums, but not prog at all. Neither is XTC.
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dr wu23
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20491 |
Posted: June 30 2013 at 21:49 | ||
XTC.....great band and I have almost all of their cd's/lp's, but imo they aren't progressive in the way prog rock archives intend, but then I feel that way about bands that are here.
C'est la vie.........
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Gooner
Prog Reviewer Joined: March 14 2007 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 312 |
Posted: June 30 2013 at 19:47 | ||
I'd say XTC should be on www.progarchives.com solely on their period from "English Settlement" to "Skylarking". I mean...for the love of Mike...my fave Stackridge is here!!! and if you ask me (which nobody did) - Stackridge was doing the XTC thing a decade prior to. XTC should at least be on here for "prog related", especially since Dave Gregory is doing prog rock gigs and recordings with his own band Tin Spirits and Big Big Train. Like the band Elbow (another glaring omission here!), XTC were prog rock "without the solos". Harrumph! Harrumph!
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Slartibartfast
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam Joined: April 29 2006 Location: Atlantais Status: Offline Points: 29625 |
Posted: June 30 2013 at 19:27 | ||
I've always considered them a progressive band, I really didn't get on their bandwagon until English Settlement, but as they have been soundly rejected I just move on.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Man With Hat
Collaborator Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166178 |
Posted: June 30 2013 at 18:17 | ||
You'd think... Oh hey...they can! Look at that. |
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