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    Posted: October 03 2013 at 19:15

While we're on the subject of Supper's Ready, these two tracks are widely considered to be highly influenced by Genesis's classic, in terms of structure. I wonder which track is held in higher esteem?...

I have to go with IQ here.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2013 at 19:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2013 at 20:42
IQ for me.....I've become a big fan in the last year or so , and while I like Marilion they never really clicked with me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 03 2013 at 21:02
I like harvest a little bit more

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 01:39
Harvest Of Souls but its worth checking out the live version with Andy Edwards playing drums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 04:00
Harvest by a long way.

I liked Grendel when I first heard it, but to be fair I'd not heard any other prog epics by the classic bands at that point. Grendel is a valiant attempt at an epic, but for me after hearing Suppers Ready and numerous other epic prog classics, there seemed little point in listening to Grendel again..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 04:55
I like them both equally as much as each other (and that's a lot), so no vote.

But the structure of the two songs is not even remotely like Supper's Ready and the subject matter and atmosphere (particularly of Grendel, which is very dark) is very different. The only real similarity is the 9/8 section near the end of Grendel and the fact that they are all side long epics

Of course both bands were influenced by Genesis, but if it came to a plagiarism case in court, it would be unceremoniously thrown out.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 05:04
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

I like them both equally as much as each other (and that's a lot), so no vote.

But the structure of the two songs is not even remotely like Supper's Ready and the subject matter and atmosphere (particularly of Grendel, which is very dark) is very different. The only real similarity is the 9/8 section near the end of Grendel and the fact that they are all side long epics

Of course both bands were influenced by Genesis, but if it came to a plagiarism case in court, it would be unceremoniously thrown out.

Well Harvest got the same "feel" in the first minutes and the ending is quite similar in term of structure. With the fade out and all. But it's a good thing, I really love Harvest and Supper's Ready is my favourite track of all time. I don't think it's a ripoff but there are some hints to SR and I love that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 06:13
Harvest of Souls.
As stated earlier, it has more of the "feel" of Supper's Ready than Grendel, in my humble opinion.
Grendel doesn't seem as "polished".
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 07:35
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Harvest by a long way.

I liked Grendel when I first heard it, but to be fair I'd not heard any other prog epics by the classic bands at that point. Grendel is a valiant attempt at an epic, but for me after hearing Suppers Ready and numerous other epic prog classics, there seemed little point in listening to Grendel again..
I agree entirely. HoS is by far the better, the melodies are brilliant particulary the opening section.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 07:54
Originally posted by Mormegil Mormegil wrote:

Harvest of Souls.
As stated earlier, it has more of the "feel" of Supper's Ready than Grendel, in my humble opinion.
Grendel doesn't seem as "polished".
I agree, and voted for Harvest as a consequence of that, but I would love to hear a more-polished version of Grendel.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 08:34
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Mormegil Mormegil wrote:

Harvest of Souls.
As stated earlier, it has more of the "feel" of Supper's Ready than Grendel, in my humble opinion.
Grendel doesn't seem as "polished".
I agree, and voted for Harvest as a consequence of that, but I would love to hear a more-polished version of Grendel.



I was thinking the same thing, and went searching to see if Hogarth has ever sung it live. Not only has he not, it seems the band is embarrassed by the track and have distanced themselves from it for a long time now. (I'm sure this is old news to everyone else, but it's new news to me, haha.) This is despite fans still calling out for the number to be played at concerts. I'd love to have heard H-era's approach to this track, around the time Marbles came out. Oh well, I can only dream...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 12:10
How on earth I am only the fifth person to vote for Grendel?LOL

Erm..... I can't really put into words how much more I get out of the, admittedly, much rawer sounding, almost "demo like" feel of Grendel, than I get from Harvester of Souls. The lyrics, the witchy, stormy, spitting, wild, evil, feminine, angry, demonic and heartfelt delivery of Fish - the inspired guitars by Steve Rothery and the equally breathtaking snaking synthesizers that play oh so beautifully, almost duetting with Fish's vocals, and last but not least the childlike combination of the rhythmsection. Man.... no contest for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 12:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 12:30
Grendel, if only for Rothery's guitar work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 14:27
Love Grendel but can't vote...must admit I haven't heard any IQ since The Seventh House Wacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 17:03

I wonder which version of Grendel people are thinking about? I much prefer the original 17 minute version (found on B-sides and Market Square Heroes ep), rather than the demo "Fairdest Studios version" released on the Script remaster.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 17:53
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:


I wonder which version of Grendel people are thinking about? I much prefer the original 17 minute version (found on B-sides and Market Square Heroes ep), rather than the demo "Fairdest Studios version" released on the Script remaster.
I would imagine that most people are refering to the B'Sides Themselves version.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 04 2013 at 18:58
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 05 2013 at 03:54
Originally posted by The.Crimson.King The.Crimson.King wrote:

Love Grendel but can't vote...must admit I haven't heard any IQ since The Seventh House Wacko

For what its worth Dark Matter is much more symphonic than The Seventh House so you shouldn't avoid it just because you didn't like The Seventh House (assuming that to be the case). Frequency is somewhere in between the two style wise.
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