IMO Mars Volta should be put under fusion

Instead of under "Experimental/Post Rock" with Radiohead, I think The Mars Volta's sound is more of a jazz rock combination. They should be listed under fusion on the archives in my opinion.

Frank Zappa includes all sorts of influences is his music, more than The Mars Volta, (Mainly because of his longer career) and he's classified under fusion.

DavidInsabella wrote: Frank Zappa includes all sorts of influences is his music, more than The Mars Volta, (Mainly because of his longer career) and he's classified under fusion.

Not any more. Us collabs pointed this out and shoved him into Avant Prog which is far more appropriate. I'm happy with TMV where they are.

Trouserpress wrote: DavidInsabella wrote: Frank Zappa includes all sorts of influences is his music, more than The Mars Volta, (Mainly because of his longer career) and he's classified under fusion. Not any more. Us collabs pointed this out and shoved him into Avant Prog which is far more appropriate. I'm happy with TMV where they are.

They did what? I liked Zappa where he was.

xhamasaki wrote:  but mars volta is experimental and not post rock

I guess, but I think experimental and progressive kind of go hand in hand.

I still think they should be under fusion. Another example, the Dixie Dregs. All kinds of musical styles, but mainly rock and jazz, therefor they're put under fusion. I think the Mars Volta is the same way. I mean, does anyone else think they compare better next to Brand X than Radiohead?

Trouserpress wrote: DavidInsabella wrote: Frank Zappa includes all sorts of influences is his music, more than The Mars Volta, (Mainly because of his longer career) and he's classified under fusion. Not any more. Us collabs pointed this out and shoved him into Avant Prog which is far more appropriate. I'm happy with TMV where they are.

I think lumping in experimental with post rock is kind of odd, much stranger than throwing cantebury in with RIO. Marsvolta is the polar opposite of post rock, post rock is the use of rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes. TMV puts the ROCK back into progressive rock, I think they should also be put in avant prog. If their history thus far proves anything its that they are going to dabble in even more styles as time moves on. Classifying them as experimental is acceptable, but lumping experimental in with post rock is not however. All the other experimental bands are put in the RIO/Avant-prog section. I think that marsvolta was put in with the post rock so as to placate any 70s prog purists by not having them in the same section as Henry Cow

Hangedman wrote: Trouserpress wrote: DavidInsabella wrote: Frank Zappa includes all sorts of influences is his music, more than The Mars Volta, (Mainly because of his longer career) and he's classified under fusion. Not any more. Us collabs pointed this out and shoved him into Avant Prog which is far more appropriate. I'm happy with TMV where they are. I think lumping in experimental with post rock is kind of odd, much stranger than throwing cantebury in with RIO. Marsvolta is the polar opposite of post rock, post rock is the use of rock instrumentation for non-rock purposes. TMV puts the ROCK back into progressive rock, I think they should also be put in avant prog. If their history thus far proves anything its that they are going to dabble in even more styles as time moves on. Classifying them as experimental is acceptable, but lumping experimental in with post rock is not however. All the other experimental bands are put in the RIO/Avant-prog section. I think that marsvolta was put in with the post rock so as to placate any 70s prog purists by not having them in the same section as Henry Cow

Great idea!

Besides, like I said, experimental and progressive are kind of the same thing. So why put it in the same category as post rock.

frenchie wrote: TMV and radiohead are art rock or psychadelia/space rock/ they both used to be in these genres i think. they have absolutely nothing to do with post rock/experimental, and are nothing like the other bands in that section

Radohead is fine in the post rock section with those other bands. The Mars Volta shouldn't. I thought it was strange when they were under Art Rock. I think Avant prog would be best. And while we're at it, why not put Mr Bungle there too, they're listed under fusion as well.

DavidInsabella wrote: frenchie wrote: TMV and radiohead are art rock or psychadelia/space rock/ they both used to be in these genres i think. they have absolutely nothing to do with post rock/experimental, and are nothing like the other bands in that section Radohead is fine in the post rock section with those other bands. The Mars Volta shouldn't. I thought it was strange when they were under Art Rock. I think Avant prog would be best. And while we're at it, why not put Mr Bungle there too, they're listed under fusion as well.

have you noticed that radiohead has absolutely nothing to do with post rock?

if you have heard any of the other bands there which are true post rock you will notice radiohead and TMV dont write any sort of music similar to that.

When indie bands like radiohead get put into a prog site they are bound to end up in a section that doesnt suit them cos they arent prog in any way.

TMV cud go in avant garde i suppose but art rock or p/s sounds more appropriate. as for radiohead.

Logos wrote: TMV is experimental prog. It isn't jazz rock although there are some jazzy sections here and there. Art rock is the worst place to put them, because it seems that all questionable and borderline bands are thrown in there.

just about all prog is experimental. They just dont belong there and nor does radiohead. what about p/s? any arguements there. they just dont seem like fusion. frances the mute displays a bit of jazz, the other 2 releases dont that much. Seems a lot more like p/s on an overall basis. I dont see why they aren't art rock bands though to be honest.