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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 7431 |
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All depends how serious and willing you are!
The rest is easy by comparison!
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... none of the hits, none of the time ... now you know what the inner art is all about!
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 1831 |
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sh*t - I've got another 40,000 CD's / Vinyls to collect.......
Mind you if I don't buy any Frank Zappa - I only need another 10.....
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Play me my song.....Here it comes again.......
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lazland ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: October 28 2008 Location: Wales Status: Offline Points: 8700 |
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Marvellous
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![]() In Lazland, life is transient. Prog is permanent. |
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 2881 |
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I think they would fit just fine in Heavy Prog since the majority of their albums either have heavy moments or are(LTIA, SABB, Red, Thrak, TCOL,TPTB)
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Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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Dean ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37331 |
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If there is a sub-genre we cannot shoe-horn them into I'd be disappointed - surely they could be squeezed into Zeuhl if we put enough effort into it.
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It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things. But nobody talks about that." |
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Neo-Romantic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 09 2013 Status: Offline Points: 824 |
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Just pick a song with Belew's heavily processed vocals and Trey Gunn's bass style like ProzaKc Blues and you've got a potential case for it Round 2: fit them into the RPI category. Edited by Neo-Romantic - November 19 2013 at 03:24 |
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M27Barney ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 09 2006 Location: Swinton M27 Status: Offline Points: 1831 |
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![]() Mind you KC is positively MASSIVE compared to such a niche.... ![]() Edited by M27Barney - November 19 2013 at 04:59 |
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progbethyname ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 30 2012 Location: DAC LAND Status: Offline Points: 6140 |
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Yes and yes. ![]() For The record though I think King Crimson are accurately classified here on PA. Eclectic Prog for what the damn thing means can accurately be tied to King Crimson's sound first and for most, but KC are other things at times. Very special band. The face of Prog I think. ![]() |
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Raving and drooling I leaned on his neck with a screeeeeeeamm! ;)
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Make me think of especially #2 in the article.
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jayem ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 21 2006 Location: Switzerland Status: Offline Points: 672 |
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...and to Fripp's fondness for erudite wording. But we could also hear him say "Er...Lalalala?" onstage; and to keep it simple, didn't he hate KC to be called "prog"?... Prog Pillar. Dinosaur; Reference Prog. Eclectic Lalala...
"Pixie Prog" may very much help the newbies !! |
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DiamondDog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 15 2011 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 320 |
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Agreeing with others who have said the same thing on here, I don't consider King Crimson to have had a career beyond the first album. Robert Fripp's career is another matter.
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DiamondDog ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 15 2011 Location: Cambridge Status: Offline Points: 320 |
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I don't see any contradiction in that - whatever band of musicians were brought together, with only Fripp as the constant - I'm sure it was a communal effort, or at least, could be. That doesn't change the fact that the band originally called King Crimson were no longer together, Fripp merely used the label as a selling tool for whatever projects he fancied at the time.
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Metalmarsh89 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 15 2013 Location: Oregon, USA Status: Offline Points: 2667 |
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I can believe that it was considered a group effort. I can't imagine the 80's King Crimson getting together only to do what Robert Fripp wanted to do. Levin, Bruford, and Belew were well established muscians, and probably wouldn't sign up for something like that. Did Fripp ever have any input on lyrics? I know he never really wrote them, but did he ever edit them before they made it into the songs? |
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Metalmarsh89 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 15 2013 Location: Oregon, USA Status: Offline Points: 2667 |
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So anytime a band changes personnel or breaks up, they should develop a new name? That's what I'm inferring from this. |
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The.Crimson.King ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 29 2013 Location: WA Status: Offline Points: 3900 |
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One way I think Crimso as a communal effort is demonstrated is that every version of the band made improvisation a part of their live shows/studio albums. Beginning with Moonchild, to the horrible "blows" on Earthbound, to the amazing improvs of the '73/'74 band up through the Thrakattak album of 1996 improvs. If Crimso was really an iron-fisted-Fripp-only band there's no way he would encourage or allow these improvs that rely on the quality of all musicians to ever be released. Why give up that much control and risk the reputation of his band if it wasn't really a group effort? I don't believe it was solely Fripp deciding to use the label as a selling tool as the '81 band was originally intending to call itself "Discipline" and actually played some shows under that name. I believe I've read it was a group decision to take on the Crimso name even though they were uncomfortable with the expectations that would bring (playing the 70's repertoire, being compared to the '69 band, etc). Crimso's eclectic-ism made calling all incarnations of the band the same name logical
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I volunteer to help out if [email protected] decides to implement it (and if I'm still using the site then). Multi-tagging albums has always been doable, I think, even though I have read people saying it was too hard since I came here. It's not like they all need to be tagged, there's no hurry, every member could participate (or limit it to collabs and trusted forum members if necessary -- perhaps people with 100 plus posts), and we could still keep the master categories and genre teams as is. If [email protected] were willing to bring in the progfreak system where all members can tag albums (system would log the users who tag them), I'd be fine doing tags for a couple thousand albums over a few months (others could add more tags to my tags or correct errors as they see them). I'd say that we should still keep the master categories for bands/artists, and keep the genre teams, but just offer the opportunity for members to add tags to albums, using drop-down menus and using a limited number of set tags. And every time someone does a review they might tag an album (wouldn't be much more effort than rating an album). It wouldn't be much use to me, though, unless we also had a search function where we could do multi-tag album searches. If it got abused, well, wouldn't be that big a deal. I'd like to be able to search for an album that is multi-tagged, say, with psych/ folk/ jazz/ experimental, but then I can always use google and I have, to search for albums in a way that the results will work for me. EDIT: And yes, I believe that King Crimson is very well-placed in the Eclectic Prog category. Edited by Logan - December 04 2013 at 13:13 |
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Genital Giant ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() Joined: March 30 2013 Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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I personally dislike dissecting prog into all the little prog sub-genres on here. If it's prog then it's prog. All prog is eclectic, so that term in and of itself is redundant. King Crimson to me is the epitome of prog, and the first real prog group.
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