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Points: 11979 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 10:21

Bloody Hell!!

"The Trees" is about perceived inequality and the reaction to it.It ridicules Communisms notion of making everyone equal and how Russia and the like went about it ie with hatchet,axe and saw.

 
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Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 10:23
^ That makes perfect sense.  Sort of similar to what I thought the song was about, only colored by my own prejudices.
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Points: 1320 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 11:04
This is a bullsh*t thread, like that one about "communism" in music. I think most musicians dont care much about politics and even if they have any sort of political conviction, they trade them a lot. They will utilize "fascist" iconography for the sake of the art expression or because they want to shock and attract audience. Some may remember that English punks including the Pistols used Nazi symbols but that does not mean they ARE nazis. Slovenian Laibach did the same for their artistic concept and to cause sensation. Indeed, there are subcultural extreme right groups who have their bands but they have purpose to spread their political ideas not to make music as art expression. And, yes - UK had a fascist party during the Nazi period in Germany (like most of Europe for that matter), but they were not in power (Oswald Mosley if I am correct).
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Points: 1321 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 11:09

I agree with Seyo, this thread is crap, and can even be offensive. Germany isn't even fascist, that's the past ... the most fascist-like country nowadays seems to be the one I live in (USA).

The rest of the reasons are given by Seyo.

 

 
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Points: 1422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 11:11

Originally posted by Seyo Seyo wrote:

This is a bullsh*t thread, like that one about "communism" in music. I think most musicians dont care much about politics and even if they have any sort of political conviction, they trade them a lot. They will utilize "fascist" iconography for the sake of the art expression or because they want to shock and attract audience. Some may remember that English punks including the Pistols used Nazi symbols but that does not mean they ARE nazis. Slovenian Laibach did the same for their artistic concept and to cause sensation. Indeed, there are subcultural extreme right groups who have their bands but they have purpose to spread their political ideas not to make music as art expression. And, yes - UK had a fascist party during the Nazi period in Germany (like most of Europe for that matter), but they were not in power (Oswald Mosley if I am correct).

the uk still has a fascist party (BNP) but they, like Mosley will never get into govt.
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The Italian progressive band JANUS were reputed to have extreme right
wing lyrics on their album "Al Maestrale", but I haven't actually heard it.
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Points: 1320 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 11:21
I mean, the point is: in real fascism or better in real totalitarian political system there is not much space left for any music (except nationalistic hymns).
Zitro, you are not alone in that!
Spectral, I hope you are right.

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Points: 4828 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 12:01

About The Trees; I think the lyrics describe an abstract conflict with two different parties seeking lifespace and profit, and they are kept in equal level by the force of the 3rd party (goverment).

What ever Peart thought they were when he wrote the lyrics doesn't interest me, but they are good lyrics, as each can understand in their own way, and perhaps use them to realize something from their own lifes.
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Points: 443 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 05 2005 at 15:31
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Are there any fascist prog bands out there?  I'm thinking that perhaps Germany or Italy may have contributed a few bands of this nature.


Yes, in Italy there were almost two bands, La Compagnia dell'Anello and Janus (not in relationship with other band with same name), also Museo Rosenbach were accused to be right-winged as for Nietsche's lyrics and for a Mussolini's photo on LP cover...
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Points: 139 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 15:05
Originally posted by Politician Politician wrote:

The Italian progressive band JANUS were reputed to have extreme right
wing lyrics on their album "Al Maestrale", but I haven't actually heard it.


Yeah, they had a couple of singles too. Supposedly a pretty crappy album, even if stylistically "prog".

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Well, there's a polish heavy/punk band called Combat 64 or something like that, and they are strict nazi's
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Points: 84 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 16:43

Quote This is a bullsh*t thread

No kidding

Here's a REAL question!

Are there any Prog bands that believe in personal and individual freedom and liberty? Or do you have to believe in some form of statism to play Progressive music?



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Points: 368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 17:39

jaja the fat (I dont remember his name) member of BANCO DEL MUTUO SOCCORSO is comunist.

Also Robert Fripp jaja

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Points: 368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 17:50

Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Well, there's a polish heavy/punk band called Combat 64 or something like that, and they are strict nazi's

mm polish?? After all the things the nazis made in there its Contradictory.
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Points: 16329 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 18:00
May I remind everyone that Communism is NOT the opposite of Fascism. Self-rule/Libertarianism is the opposite of Fascism.
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Points: 1422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 18:29

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

May I remind everyone that Communism is NOT the opposite of Fascism. Self-rule/Libertarianism is the opposite of Fascism.

marxism, the true communism, is the ideological opposite of fascism.
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Points: 368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 18:32
Originally posted by spectral spectral wrote:

Originally posted by King of Loss King of Loss wrote:

May I remind everyone that Communism is NOT the opposite of Fascism. Self-rule/Libertarianism is the opposite of Fascism.

marxism, the true communism, is the ideological opposite of fascism.

True

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Points: 4928 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 18:35
Originally posted by bamba bamba wrote:

Originally posted by Ed_The_Dead Ed_The_Dead wrote:

Well, there's a polish heavy/punk band called Combat 64 or something like that, and they are strict nazi's

mm polish?? After all the things the nazis made in there its Contradictory.

Found it quite suprising myself... a bit schocking even
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Points: 84 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 19:17

Quote marxism, the true communism, is the ideological opposite of fascism

Marxism is an impossible ideal due to the very nature of living beings.....



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Points: 1422 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 06 2005 at 19:24
Originally posted by Littlewashu5 Littlewashu5 wrote:

Quote marxism, the true communism, is the ideological opposite of fascism

Marxism is an impossible ideal due to the very nature of living beings.....

It is an idealogy, a concept about human life.  I would say that your statement is impossible to prove and it's ultimately a damning indictment of humanity.
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