Genital Giant wrote: richardh wrote: Genital Giant wrote: richardh wrote: Genital Giant wrote: Such a tough choice between these two, the two best Genesis albums imo.  Well, I look at this way, Foxtrot has 30 and 1/2 minutes of absolutely essential material with Supper's Ready and Watcher of the Skies. Selling England has 24 minutes of absolutely essential material with Cinema Show, Firth of Fifth, and I Know What I Like. So Foxtrot wins by just a little. If you take out I Know What I Like and add Dancing With The Moonlit Knight then what would be the score I wonder?  I Know What I Like IS an essential Genesis track, that one has been played by the band live probably more than any other from the Gabriel era. It's a great song with a great chorus. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight is a wonderful song but it was never played again live (other than the opening vocal bit) after the Selling England tour. That clearly makes it a non-essential Genesis tune to me.   "Essential" songs, to me, are ones that the band played on multiple tours and that stood the test of time. Songs that just got played on one tour are not as significant. I don't agree. I know what I like was just a bit of a singalong and so suited the band playing live. It does have a nice groove but it will never be 'essential' in my view. If you follow this argument then ELP - Trilogy is 'non essential' yet many consider it to be one of their best tracks.  Incorrect, Trilogy has been played on more than one tour.   Also..... ELP...... please.

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Genital Giant wrote: richardh wrote: Genital Giant wrote: Such a tough choice between these two, the two best Genesis albums imo.  Well, I look at this way, Foxtrot has 30 and 1/2 minutes of absolutely essential material with Supper's Ready and Watcher of the Skies. Selling England has 24 minutes of absolutely essential material with Cinema Show, Firth of Fifth, and I Know What I Like. So Foxtrot wins by just a little. If you take out I Know What I Like and add Dancing With The Moonlit Knight then what would be the score I wonder?  I Know What I Like IS an essential Genesis track, that one has been played by the band live probably more than any other from the Gabriel era. It's a great song with a great chorus. Dancing With The Moonlit Knight is a wonderful song but it was never played again live (other than the opening vocal bit) after the Selling England tour. That clearly makes it a non-essential Genesis tune to me.   "Essential" songs, to me, are ones that the band played on multiple tours and that stood the test of time. Songs that just got played on one tour are not as significant.

Foxtrot. I  don't dig SEBTP

Genital Giant wrote: Such a tough choice between these two, the two best Genesis albums imo.  Well, I look at this way, Foxtrot has 30 and 1/2 minutes of absolutely essential material with Supper's Ready and Watcher of the Skies. Selling England has 24 minutes of absolutely essential material with Cinema Show, Firth of Fifth, and I Know What I Like. So Foxtrot wins by just a little.

I like Battle because it's crazy like the subject matter---plus Genesis songs are so organized that this one stands out because it is not--it is chopped up and disjointed----it is rebellious like it's subject matter---but when all is said and done --some have been critical that Suppers Ready sounds chopped up and disjointed --so there is a precedent for this.

I voted Selling in a close one.  But I can't understand how people can love Battle so much.   The words don't lay over the music naturally.  It sounds very forced to my ears.  A couple very pleasing, catchy parts.  But overall, one of the worst Genesis tunes of all times.  The other classics on Selling are so great that I still voted for it.  

Foxtrot is nice, but, for me, it's the weakest of the Gabriel era.

Guldbamsen wrote: ^You don't like Can-Utility and the Coastliners Audun? That's without a doubt my favourite track off Foxtrot. An epic with all the pomp and imaginative turnovers delivered in just under 6 minutes.

I don't dislike it. I like the whole album, but the first five tracks don't get me too excited, and I'm sort of waiting for Supper's to begin every time I listen to it.

Selling's got the highlights more spread out, and although it, too, has got some, IMO, lesser tracks (and I rate a couple of those less than any track on Foxtrot, truth be told), because they're spread out, I find them less intrusive, as they're more like breathers between the epics than slightly annoying bits before the grand finale, if that makes any sense.

NotAProghead wrote: dr prog wrote: England is a bit dull in parts. Foxtrot is better Maybe England is a bit dull in parts, but anyway it's a good album, while Foxtrot is dull from start to finish.

I really like watcher, coastliners and timetable. Fine tracks from start to finish. I'd say cinema and Epping give me the same feeling. Although I cringe a bit at the start of cinema. Epping is a fun track. The fun part of supper just isn't enjoyable enough for me although the serious first half is pretty good although a bit cheesy

Blacksword wrote: richardh wrote: Chris S wrote: Genesis - The most productive and prolific prog/pop prog band of all time Yes- Unbelievable albums, I give Talk quite a few spins and still love it. And Fly from Here was a welcome surprise The Ladder , Keystudio and Magnification stand up pretty well also. Yes were only really 'bad for a period in the mid to late eighties when nearly everyone was equally bad as well it seemed The 80's were quite bad for old prog bands, although I still think 90125 is one of Yes's best albums.