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stonebeard 
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 Topic: Is Steve Vai prog?Posted: May 02 2008 at 18:00 |
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Pop doesn't factor into it, it's about evaluating an artist by his solo work, not by what he did in other bands.
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bluesynight
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:59 |
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 actually there are some rules about it on this site,i cant remember, something about "completing the big picture". its the main reason for why petrucci's solo work is here. and if you check vai's page, you see that its says...Why this artist must be listed in www.progarchives.com : Progressive guitar composer and Zappa alumni. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:58 |
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Vai never made mainstream music - not on his solo albums. Even songs like Tender Surrender (for which he got a Grammy) weren't mainstream/pop. Edited by MikeEnRegalia - May 02 2008 at 17:59 |
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:51 |
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His work with Zappa doesn't count. That would be like adding Phil Collins' solo albums because he was in Genesis. |
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bluesynight
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:48 |
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depends on what you mean by "historical context", as in his early solo work, or his work with zappa? |
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The Irish gave the bagpipes to the Scotts as a joke, but the Scotts haven't seen the joke yet.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:35 |
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Absolutely not. There is a difference between complex music and prog music, and it's really not that hard to see.
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bluesynight
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 17:31 |
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hey its not a bad idea, i feel like i'm getting brainwashed  , but its not a bad idea. |
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The Irish gave the bagpipes to the Scotts as a joke, but the Scotts haven't seen the joke yet.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 16:41 |
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Ok, I see. I use the word "shred" more generally ... for me it describes music which is based on virtuosic playing of one instrument in a "rocking" context ... might be rock, metal or jazz-fusion.
So what's keeping you from rating & tagging some Vai albums at Ratingfreak.com? Currently there are only Hughes and me ...  |
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stonebeard
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 16:29 |
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I stand by this old freakin post. Vai sometimes has complex rhythms, adventurous sounds 'n' all, but I believe if we take things in historical context and not entirely in a "sounds like" vacuum, Vai does not belog here at all. |
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bluesynight
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:51 |
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no, its just that you cant play shred guitar without having some rock/metal elements. so you dont have to say.. rock+ jazz+sh...
 i stepped on a nail, and i cant get out of my house for a week. so i glad to discuss old pointless topics, that just going in pointless loops, i have allot of time on my hands.
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The Irish gave the bagpipes to the Scotts as a joke, but the Scotts haven't seen the joke yet.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:14 |
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Does that question have anything to do with my post or the thread in general?
You revived that thread.  BTW: I meant that Vai's discography doesn't contain many tracks which belong to the genre of Jazz. |
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bluesynight
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 15:11 |
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how many guitar shredders you know that have zero rock/metal elements in their music?
i can see the logic in that, but the sentence " he's not very jazz.", is not that clear. anyway, back to more interesting and recent topics... |
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The Irish gave the bagpipes to the Scotts as a joke, but the Scotts haven't seen the joke yet.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 14:20 |
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^ in my post I said clearly that he's not very jazz. And technically fusion = rock + jazz + shred. Anyways, back then I proposed Jazz-Fusion as a category because it was the best choice, with artists like Derek Sherinian and Niacin in it.
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bluesynight
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Posted: May 02 2008 at 14:12 |
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i have only 3 of his album L&P, the ultra zone, and real illusions. so maybe i missed something, so can you pls tell me where you see the jazz?and of course shred + jazz = fusion (al di meola, greg howe, tony macalpine). |
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The Irish gave the bagpipes to the Scotts as a joke, but the Scotts haven't seen the joke yet.
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Philrod
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Posted: September 18 2005 at 17:54 |
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now what a guitarist! definitely belongs here!
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Prodigal
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Posted: September 18 2005 at 16:23 |
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I don't think so. |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: September 17 2005 at 08:18 |
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Here's an interesting link which Damen posted somewhere else: http://epicrecords.com/g3/quicktime/ The website offers three videos (Satriani, Vai and Malmsteen) from the G3 DVD. They show the differences between the artists quite well ... IMO Vai's performance (or at least 80% of it) reminds me more of Robert Fripp than any of the usual shred guitarists ... |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: August 08 2005 at 03:48 |
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As Wolfie said... about 75% |
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Damen
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 22:51 |
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Good guitarist but does not belong here.
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Man With Hat
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Posted: August 07 2005 at 21:14 |
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