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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:33

just for fun and because it's really good

Drum Duet - Phil Collins and Chester Thompson drums

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3rJXV4R4E

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:32

Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ Sorry, I just don't hear any of that.

I guess to spot the little intricacies of the drum part I'd have to take a stab at it myself (but I don't have a kit), but I don't hear those little intricacies either.

Oh, well. ... Sucks for me.

I think that giving drumming a try would help the appreciation of the subtleties of the instrument. I guss it's also just a matter of varying taste of what we expect to hear and what we like to enjoy from a drummer. As a member of the Math-Rock Team as well as being a percussionist for 5 years I can assure you that i absolutely love hearing impressive chops and creative rhythms. I just also love hearing simplicity sometimes.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:32

Honor Thy Father- Dream Theater

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:26

wHOOOHEEEE AAHHH yes here it is

King Crimson - 21st Century Schizoid Man [Drums Master Track]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzLjml1SHOM

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znvPTMf18S0King Crimson - The Talking Drum / Larks' Tongues In Aspic Part 2

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:21

^ Sorry, I just don't hear any of that.

I guess to spot the little intricacies of the drum part I'd have to take a stab at it myself (but I don't have a kit), but I don't hear those little intricacies either.

Oh, well. ... Sucks for me.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:06

Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ It just sounds like something a beginner drummer could play. Nothing pro about that.

Well, it's not too complicated - and that's the appeal of it. The in-the-pocket groove. It's like the famed Perdie Shuffle, the feeling of it is just sublime. Same case here, the production especially on the album makes the drums and particularly this rhythm sound even better.

Additionally, i'd like to say that it isn't as easy as you think. A beginner drummer surely won't nail the song. Again, i'm also incorporating the feel and groove of it. The fact he makes it sound seamless is something that the rhythm calls for.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:01

Pertaining to the topic..

Love Dave's drumming. He changes it up here and there live, making it better a lot of times - but this is the great original.

Also.. cheating a bit.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 23:00

^ It just sounds like something a beginner drummer could play. Nothing pro about that.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:59

I'm going to respond with another question.

What's isn't professional about it?

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:56

Horizons wrote:

I agreed because you said the same thing.

Never mind about that one. It sounds like we'll fall into a rabbit-hole if we go further down this path.

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I still am trying to avoid your usage of professional.

I thought there was only one legit usage of the word (the one that ostensibly the two of us agreed on beforehand). If you can't play proficiently, you are not at the pro level, right?

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Only thing we disagree on it seems is you think a drummer's job is to w**k off during complicated fills.

I said nothing of the kind, nor did I imply it. If you are able to come up with more ideas on spot for the same song, isn't that something that only a pro can do?

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An example of an excellent drummer, doing an excellent percussion performance without using complicated fills.

OK ... what's so professional about this performance

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:50

I agreed because you said the same thing. I still am trying to avoid your usage of professional. Only thing we disagree on it seems is you think a drummer's job is to w**k off during complicated fills.

An example of an excellent drummer, doing an excellent percussion performance without using complicated fills.

Edit: w**k is censored? Isn't there an age limit anyway?

Edited by Horizons - February 24 2014 at 22:51

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:46

Horizons wrote:

There's more to a drummer than playing sophisticated fills.

OK. Give me an example.

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Fills don't make a "professional" drummer. That's what you're saying in statement 1 correct? Good, i agree.

1) What do you mean by "professional" in quotes?

2) First, you say "Fills don't make a 'professional' drummer", then you agree. I'm confused.

QUOTE=Horizons Statement 2: Strawberry Fields Forever is a fantastic Ringo song. Same with Good Morning Good Morning. /QUOTE

Fantastic songs, yes, but on the strengths of composition. I don't know what Ringo has to do with it, though.

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Statement 3. guy is a great drummer, and isn't limited to those songs.

OK. What works do you think demonstrate him at his best?

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... even if he has just a metronome for VdGG's time signatures - he's still a professional.

I have nothing against the metronome.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:24

There's more to a drummer than playing sophisticated fills. Fills don't make a "professional" drummer. That's what you're saying in statement 1 correct? Good, i agree.

Statement 2: Strawberry Fields Forever is a fantastic Ringo song. Same with Good Morning Good Morning.

Statement 3. guy is a great drummer, and isn't limited to those songs. Honestly i think most of his performances are adequate and are both interesting and stable. Even so, even if we has just a metronome for VdGG's time signatures - he's still a professional. Session musicians are paid to do the same, and it's still his job and performs his role well.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:16

Dayvenkirq wrote:

1.

deafmoon wrote:

The Crunge - John Bonham - Led Zeppelin

2. VdGG - "Arrow"

3. Mahavishnu Orchestra with John McLaughlin - "Vital Transformations"

4. Tool - "Ticks and Leeches" (bravo, Danny

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 22:12

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I still don't understand how that changes his level of professionalism.

It doesn't. There were guys before Guy who could chop more proficiently than Guy. He can do better. He still has more room. Just because you have a few classy drum fills up your sleeve, that doesn't automatically make you a pro.

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Does that mean Ringo Star is barely professional because so many drummers posses better technical skill?

Give me one performance where Ringo chopped proficiently.

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Guy does a great job on Arrow, and in VdGG in general.

On "Arrow", "Killer", ... yes, but most of the time it sounds to me as if he is just there for rhythm back-up.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 19:48

I still don't understand how that changes his level of professionalism.

Does that mean Ringo Star is barely professional because so many drummers posses better technical skill?

Guy does a great job on Arrow, and in VdGG in general. He's a professional.

Edited by Horizons - February 24 2014 at 19:49

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 19:18

Horizons wrote:

Semi-professional drumming? What?

Come on ... compare him to Bill ... or Billy Cobham ... or Buddy Rich.

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 19:17

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The big one that came to mind immediately was Rainbow's "Stargazer" by the amazing Cozy Powell.

Yeah, that's a righteous example.

A slightly more modern example I like is the intro to Judas Priest's title song from Painkiller. I'm not exactly a JP "fan," but they have some great songs, like "Desert Plains" and "Hellion/Electric Eye."

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Posted: February 24 2014 at 19:05

Semi-professional drumming? What?

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