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tszirmay
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Topic: Illusions On A Double Dimple Turns 40! Posted: March 07 2014 at 12:51 |
Million Dollars still does it for me after 40 years! I have said it before and say it again, Triumvirat was a bigger musical success than the overblown, volatile and inconsistent ELP. Fritz rules !
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Barbu
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Posted: March 07 2014 at 11:48 |
Happy 40!
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Posted: March 04 2014 at 18:41 |
God I love that album!
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Posted: March 04 2014 at 06:04 |
I've got two copies on CD and may still have my original vinyl. The older CD doesn't split up the sides into tracks.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 04 2014 at 05:58 |
You've made some important points The Helmut Koellen page on wiki was just a stub of about 4 short sentences several years ago, but I expanded it to what it is now, with a tiny bit of help from another editor. About 90 percent of Helmut's current page is from me.
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Posted: March 04 2014 at 05:49 |
I checked on the internet... very scarce info on the band.
The wikipedia pages on Triumvirat and Jurgen Fritz are really poor (how embarassing!).
Not to mention the band's official website that is not even updated!
Given the quality of the music and the international success int he mid seventies, how come the net's so darn cold to them?
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 20:54 |
Thanks, guys. Great to see the love.
Edited by presdoug - March 03 2014 at 20:55
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 20:37 |
I share your love for this album, Doug. It's one of my favorites, has been since The Great Decade. I had it on vinyl but it's gone. My CD sounds excellent though. I love the gated drum sound throughout the album - I've never heard that effect anywhere else. I like the bonus tracks too - Timothy and Dancer's Delight. The latter sounds like something completely else, like Bowie and Spiders from Mars or something.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 15:58 |
That is one hell of an album. I gave it a spin today and my judgement hasn't changed. Great musicianship (the paradise of keys) and strong melodies all through both sides. ELP weren't as melodic were they
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 07:22 |
richardh wrote:
I think its fairly unusual in that it features two side long peices ,something that was surprisingly rare at the time. Triumvirat were sort of a less pompous version of ELP (but not a clone) not relying on sci -fi concepts and using less synths compared to ELP. The quality is in the writing and playing which is beautifully fluid. If you like keyboard based rock music this is almost as good as it gets album wise.
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Hi, Richard, your comments are spot on, thanks.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 01:35 |
I think its fairly unusual in that it features two side long peices ,something that was surprisingly rare at the time. Triumvirat were sort of a less pompous version of ELP (but not a clone) not relying on sci -fi concepts and using less synths compared to ELP. The quality is in the writing and playing which is beautifully fluid. If you like keyboard based rock music this is almost as good as it gets album wise.
Edited by richardh - March 03 2014 at 01:38
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Posted: March 02 2014 at 19:50 |
brainstormer wrote:
In a good way, it sounds like they are using compression on the drums aroundthe 7:45 to 8:15 minute mark. Very unique little bit for 1974.
Any thoughts on what the title is supposed to mean? Maybe it's one of those things that can't really be put into words that well, except for a short line of a poetic title.
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A "Double Dimple" refers to a drink of Scotch. I think "Illusions" refers to what you get when you've had too many Double Dimples. It is a concept album about a guy who loses his job and wants to drink "til I can't stand on my feet". Thus, Illusions On A Double Dimple.
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Posted: March 02 2014 at 15:35 |
In a good way, it sounds like they are using compression on the drums around the 7:45 to 8:15 minute mark. Very unique little bit for 1974.
Any thoughts on what the title is supposed to mean? Maybe it's one of those things that can't really be put into words that well, except for a short line of a poetic title.
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Posted: March 02 2014 at 14:49 |
I think I'd like a double dimple please sir I was released in March of 1965 This is the album that hooked me on the band.
Edited by Slartibartfast - March 02 2014 at 14:51
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 02 2014 at 10:09 |
^Had he lived, today would have been Helmut's 64th birthday. RIP!
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Posted: March 02 2014 at 07:30 |
^Pape played most of the bass parts on the first suite only, side two's Mister Ten Percent suite's bass and six-string guitar is totally Helmut's.
Edited by presdoug - March 02 2014 at 10:12
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Posted: March 02 2014 at 00:37 |
presdoug wrote:
verslibre wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Former bassist Hans Pape left in the middle of recording the album, and most of the bass parts on side one are his. |
What was the reason for his departure? | He was getting married, and his wife to be did not want him to have to face the rigors of touring.
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Yeah, I don't think MY wife would approve of the "rigors of touring" either!
I didn't know that Helmut didn't play most of the bass parts....when I saw them tour with Fleetwood Mac, he had a real command of the instrument! He reminded me a bit of Greg Lake, very fluent in playing either bass or guitar, while singing. Very impressive band, and "Illusions" was very popular in our college dormitory!
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Posted: March 01 2014 at 22:27 |
verslibre wrote:
presdoug wrote:
Former bassist Hans Pape left in the middle of recording the album, and most of the bass parts on side one are his. |
What was the reason for his departure? |
He was getting married, and his wife to be did not want him to have to face the rigors of touring.
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Posted: March 01 2014 at 20:16 |
presdoug wrote:
Former bassist Hans Pape left in the middle of recording the album, and most of the bass parts on side one are his. | What was the reason for his departure?
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Posted: March 01 2014 at 19:06 |
^Illusions On A Double Dimple recording isn't great ?? Then what you would you have to say about Mediterranean Tales, maybe my favourite Triumvirat album ???? Anyway, my favourite albums never needed to have better recordings to keep being my favourites... btw a dts system is always welcome, but NOT essential for me.
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