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Topic: Genesis' The Waiting Room or Crimson's Providence? Posted: March 02 2014 at 23:01 |
Here are two avant-garde pieces that both came out in 1974 with similar overall contours. Both start out in an improvised free form (for want of a better description) and then cross a threshold mid-way through that starts a more driving rhythm. Both have a somewhat disconcerting mood to them. This is a tough comparison, I think. Which one do you like better?
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Posted: March 02 2014 at 23:08 |
Providence
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Posted: March 02 2014 at 23:28 |
Both nice and freaky.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 00:22 |
"Providence" any day.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 00:26 |
The Waiting Room
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 01:32 |
Both are good but definitely KC here. Providence is the track I'm looking for the most when I listen to Red. I love Wetton's energetic playing there.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 01:45 |
Providence
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 03:09 |
The Waiting Room.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 03:31 |
Both. But imho Providence does not really fit on Red. And the unedited version is, well interesting as well. Wonder what Red would have been like with Fracture (or a later more practiced version of it)...
KC are one of the few prog bands that really do have improvisations (most prog rock is well arranged - KC do both). Maybe it comes from not having a dedicated keyboardist (mellotron double duties aside); also unique for a prog rock band.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 06:49 |
The Waiting Room
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 08:40 |
Waiting room--describes perfectly what is going thru Rael's head and what he is seeing in the waiting room lol--humorous and weird.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 09:39 |
uduwudu wrote:
Both. But imho Providence does not really fit on Red. And the unedited version is, well interesting as well. Wonder what Red would have been like with Fracture (or a later more practiced version of it)...
KC are one of the few prog bands that really do have improvisations (most prog rock is well arranged - KC do both). Maybe it comes from not having a dedicated keyboardist (mellotron double duties aside); also unique for a prog rock band.
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Amon Düül 2 did many improvisations too, as did Guru Guru. Among early Krautrock improvisation is quite common. And both without keyboards too (that bit of keyboards Falk U. Rogner contributed counts even less than the mellotron in King Crimson; he made mostly noises only). The first albums of Kraan were without keyboards too.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 09:42 |
Waiting Room - I like that it feels more composed. As good an improv as Providence is, it's just an improvisation and I never thought those "live on the spur of the moment" pieces fit especially well on KC's studio albums. I prefer them to stay on live albums, otherwise they feel like filler to me.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 10:17 |
HolyMoly wrote:
Waiting Room - I like that it feels more composed. As good an improv as Providence is, it's just an improvisation and I never thought those "live on the spur of the moment" pieces fit especially well on KC's studio albums. I prefer them to stay on live albums, otherwise they feel like filler to me.
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I would never use the phrase "just an improvisation", for several reasons. First of all many improvisations are better than composed stuff (at least in my opinion), second improvising is not easy at all, and third many classical compositions arose from improvisations. Bach could improvise whole fugues, and many other composers were known to be excellent improvisors. That improvisations are looked down upon is due to the romantic era with its genius cult
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 10:39 |
BaldFriede wrote:
HolyMoly wrote:
Waiting Room - I like that it feels more composed. As good an improv as Providence is, it's just an improvisation and I never thought those "live on the spur of the moment" pieces fit especially well on KC's studio albums. I prefer them to stay on live albums, otherwise they feel like filler to me.
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I would never use the phrase "just an improvisation", for several reasons. First of all many improvisations are better than composed stuff (at least in my opinion), second improvising is not easy at all, and third many classical compositions arose from improvisations. Bach could improvise whole fugues, and many other composers were known to be excellent improvisors.
That improvisations are looked down upon is due to the romantic era with its genius cult
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I don't disagree, I just think KC's studio albums aren't particularly well served by the purely improvisational pieces. Their live albums, on the other hand, are all the better for them. As for my choice of words, I concede that "just an improvisation" sounds dismissive, and that was more due to my current mood than any real appraisal of the music.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 12:52 |
Providence, particularly the full cut from The Great Deceiver which is mind blowing.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 15:45 |
Providence, but I enjoy both.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 15:53 |
"Waiting Room" for me, simply because it is unique for Genesis.
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Posted: March 03 2014 at 18:24 |
Providence stands on its own better than The Waiting Room and gets my vote because of it.
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Posted: March 04 2014 at 15:48 |
The Waiting Room has nicer effects and musical progressions, but doesn't really fit in there on The Lamb. Then again, Providence is a bit predictable after a few listens, and it feels more minimalistic so there isn't really enough stuff there. Also, I find myself just waiting for Starless during Providence sometimes, so I suppose just The Waiting Room for me
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