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Poll Question: A list of some of my favourite Post Punk bands Which is yours?
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    Posted: March 20 2014 at 10:24
glad you're liking those!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2014 at 21:49
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:


Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I'm guessing the Devo vote is from Mr Smartpatrol ?
indeed! never bothered to post

I honestly cannot get myself to enjoy any of it maybe I have been listening to the wrong tracks even so I just can't get myself into enjoying to listen to any this. All sounds very disco old school era and ,much electronic.... Awwww bah, I am so sorry
try these tracks:


Ha! Thank you very much, Smartpatrol,
listening to the first track right now, funny enough reminds me in terms of vocals of Dexies Midnight Skies with come on Eileen lol
hahaha but love the silly word potato within the lyrics a lot! :)I am enjoying this inc. the intrumental bits with the wheewm wheeeiiiheewm parts :)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2014 at 21:40
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Mind you I love the song Come on Eileen, that song is brilliant to me really. Really, love it!


Girls called Eileen aren't as keen on it as you'd at first think.

Dean, I found a great article/interview with Rick Wakeman in reference to this punk topic and also proclaiming himself as Grumpy, ha he must be your Brotherrin Here is the article: http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/jan/08/rick-wakeman-interview-prog-rock-punk
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There was a BBC TV series called Grumpy Old Men that had a number of well-known middle-aged men talking about any issues of modern life which irritate them. <span style="line-height: 1.2;">Wakeman was a major contributor to the programme and following his success on that named the latest two volumes of his autobiography after the show. </span><span style="line-height: 1.2;">For the many British middle-aged men moaning about modern life is a national pastime and I am not immune, as Rick says grumpy is funny, angry is not nice, I am never (well mostly never) angry, I like to think I'm funniest when I'm grumpy (I'm having laugh anyway).</span>
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<span style="line-height: 1.2;">Anyway, here is the grumpy old rock star in fine form: </span>


hahahahaha! Dean! hahahaha! Never seen this before and even I can relate to what he says hahaha!!! Love it! hahaha!!!
Oh yes that's it Dean, I call you grumpy because you even if you don't intent and try to be serious you are so nice thus comes out funny lol besides that you never are spiteful nor self-righteous, I speak from experience here too, i.e. the patience you have for me and my oops moments are quite amazing really :) Also true what you say at times your responses, your calm attitude (grumpy in a funny humoristic way, even if at times you don't realize how funny it might sound to us, because you are being serious)you are kind and most entertaining really, besides you are a real nice person.     a huge hug to you xxx

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2014 at 14:41
I also discovered Bill Nelson's Red Noise (Before I had heard the wonderful BBD) does this count as Post-Punk?
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2014 at 14:26
I was so into Tubeway Army for a short while around this time:





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2014 at 06:17
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Mind you I love the song Come on Eileen, that song is brilliant to me really. Really, love it!


Girls called Eileen aren't as keen on it as you'd at first think.

Dean, I found a great article/interview with Rick Wakeman in reference to this punk topic and also proclaiming himself as Grumpy, ha he must be your Brotherrin Here is the article: http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/jan/08/rick-wakeman-interview-prog-rock-punk
hugs xx
There was a BBC TV series called Grumpy Old Men that had a number of well-known middle-aged men talking about any issues of modern life which irritate them. Wakeman was a major contributor to the programme and following his success on that named the latest two volumes of his autobiography after the show. For the many British middle-aged men moaning about modern life is a national pastime and I am not immune, as Rick says grumpy is funny, angry is not nice, I am never (well mostly never) angry, I like to think I'm funniest when I'm grumpy (I'm having laugh anyway).

Anyway, here is the grumpy old rock star in fine form: 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2014 at 00:49
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:


Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I'm guessing the Devo vote is from Mr Smartpatrol ?
indeed! never bothered to post

I honestly cannot get myself to enjoy any of it maybe I have been listening to the wrong tracks even so I just can't get myself into enjoying to listen to any this. All sounds very disco old school era and ,much electronic.... Awwww bah, I am so sorry
try these tracks:





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 19 2014 at 00:15
Originally posted by smartpatrol smartpatrol wrote:


Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I'm guessing the Devo vote is from Mr Smartpatrol ?
indeed! never bothered to post

I honestly cannot get myself to enjoy any of it maybe I have been listening to the wrong tracks even so I just can't get myself into enjoying to listen to any this. All sounds very disco old school era and ,much electronic.... Awwww bah, I am so sorry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2014 at 23:49
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

I'm guessing the Devo vote is from Mr Smartpatrol ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2014 at 23:33
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:


Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Mind you I love the song Come on Eileen, that song is brilliant to me really. Really, love it!


Girls called Eileen aren't as keen on it as you'd at first think.

Dean, I found a great article/interview with Rick Wakeman in reference to this punk topic and also proclaiming himself as Grumpy, ha he must be your Brotherrin Here is the article: http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2014/jan/08/rick-wakeman-interview-prog-rock-punk
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2014 at 04:27
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

Killing Joke: post punk / industrial metal
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2014 at 04:24
Killing Joke: post punk / industrial metal
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 18 2014 at 04:02
On a related note: That entire "scene" seems to be going through something of a revival right now with quite a few new groups having popped up that attempt both its noisier more abrasive side (e. g. Iceage, Savages) and dreamy psychedelic side. (e. g. Warpaint)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 17:55
80'S, I blocked that out somehow. I liked Kate Bush and Queen ok yes I was a sucker for Guns n Roses too but that was as far I can remember Oh yes the song Purple Rain by Prince, loved that track! the rest I cannot recall honestly.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2014 at 17:52
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It might also be the production on some of your videos that gives the AhHa! impression. Oh and the bloody awful video of the Furs in the rain.  Anyway, Exhibit X to really annoy Kati (for obvious reasons)




hahahaha!!!! akamaisondufromage indeed that does not sound pleasant. Why would one go through so much effort to make it worse is beyond me Oh gawd that was awful
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 18:17
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Mind you I love the song Come on Eileen, that song is brilliant to me really. Really, love it!


Girls called Eileen aren't as keen on it as you'd at first think.


Oh but Dean this song is so good, not as poppy as people ,might think, it has violins and all.    Oh yes they should have trimmed atleast their underarm hairs for the vid    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oc-P8oDuS0Q
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 18:08
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Mind you I love the song Come on Eileen, that song is brilliant to me really. Really, love it!

Girls called Eileen aren't as keen on it as you'd at first think.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 18:03
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Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Thanks Dean  I listened to all of them and this is obviously only my opinion and I am no expert whatsoever thus am only speaking as a matter of taste and what I perceive the music feels to me and I honestly don't know if it is much improvement compared to punk, exhibit A to exhibit E sounds very 80's pop rock the likes of Aha, Pet Shop Boys etc. and those to me sounded (as personal taste) a tad better to be honest. This is exactly the type of music that I don't enjoy much. Exhibit F sounded different however it annoyed me because I pictured that Bowie could do that and much better. I am sorry really, maybe I am not in the best open minded happy welcoming mood to listen to them today. Hugs to you    
Well, post-punk is 80s rock so that's hardly surprising, though likening them to A-Ha and the Pet Shop Bouys is like comparing Yes to Sailor because instrumentally they really are that far removed from "80s pop". All of them have a Mr Bowie influence to some extent because he was very influential on all 80s music but Japan's Mr Sylvian and his baritone vocals are more often compared to Mr Ferry, though my ears hear a very distinctive and unique style and a timbre like no other, just has I do with Mr Fish. Perhaps your ears were confused by the pretty boy image on the video. For actual Mr Bowie connections, Mr Sylvian comes from the same small town in Kent that also gave us Mr Frampton and he provided the vocals to Mr Sakamoto's soundtrack for Merry Christmas Mr Lawrence after Mr Bowie declined involvement in the soundtrack so he could concentrate on the acting, [Mr Sakamoto managed to do both of course, though neither of them could hold a candle to the films real stars Mr Conti and Mr Kitano and since I've wandered off on this little diverting tangent - Mr Van der Post's novel that the film was based upon was given the Prog treatment in instrumental concept album form by The Enid in 1988 and released under the novel's actual title of The Seed and The Sower]. Another connection is Mr Bowie's one-time collaborator Mr Fripp invited him to join King Crimson and while Mr Sylvian declined the offer, they did work together on the rather excellent The First Day album and their even better live recording, Damage. Another Prog connection with Exhibit "F" is sitting to Mr Sylvian's right on the keyboards is Progupine Tree's Mr Barbieri and on his left somewhat uncharacteristically playing another keyboard is the greatest bass guitarist of his generation, the very sadly missed Mr Karn.



Ha you see, obviously you can tell by my reply that I know nothing about 80’s moozik, I blocked that era as it did not interest me whatsoever. Yes comparing your suggestions to Aha was pushing it a bit far I admit, however their sound and all 80’s to me sounded the same and something I did not enjoy and never liked To me in the 80’s only bands like Aerosmith, Guns n Roses and Kate Bush I like among others but certainly did not like the typical ultra bad pop Roxy Music wannabees. Mind you I love the song Come on Eileen, that song is brilliant to me really. Really, love it!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 12:05
On the list, and I will note that I am hardly approaching being an expert on post-punk, I love Tubeway Army for Replicas -- Gary Numan has put out some of my favourite albums (got a number of his vinyls -- Replicas takes me back to my childhood years).  I love Pere Ubu's The Modern Dance. With Bauhaus, the only CD I have is the Volume One compilation album, which I specifically purchased for Bela Lugosi's Dead after falling in love with The Hunger (still one of my favourite films).  With Devo I only have the first album. 

Had Tuxedomoon made the list, then I think I would have voted for it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2014 at 07:17
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

Interesting thread certainly. Just wanted to get some views about how the Cure and the Banshees were both assimilated into the Goth camp circa the mid 80's. I've always rather grown to resent two of my favourite bands being routinely considered stalwarts of the Hippies with hair-spray  Goth Rock scene. Siouxsie's career could be viewed as running in parallel with that of the original Punk from 1976 but the Banshees were one of the last participants of the 100 Club Punk Festival to be signed up for a record deal. Similarly, the Cure's debut appeared 12 months after The Scream in 1979. For me the Cure were an atmospheric/ minimalist rock band up to say Disintegration in 1989 (where yes, the sound textures and cavernous ambience of that album clearly owe a debt to goth aesthetics) while the Banshees only really betrayed the germ of Goth circa Tinderbox 1986. Although the embrace of Goth would not have been spurned by either, as it certainly helped prolong their respective careers but was it a natural development?  I've never yet been convinced although it hasn't stopped me enjoying their later work.. There are many commentators to who consider Seventeen Seconds, Ju Ju, Pornography, A Kiss in the Dreamhouse and Faith (ok I'll let than one past) as being redolent of goth sensibilities. I saw the Cure heaps of time live between 1981 and 1983 and even their look/appearance/fashion didn't strike me as being Gothic at all. Cosmetically moribund perhaps but how is that Goth?
From my perspective, that's another of those "after the event" associations that over time has become cemented in perceived history, writers such as Derogatoryitus tend to be revisionists in that respect. 

I also saw The Cure many times in the early 80s, sometimes as support for the Banshees, sometimes as the headline band. Goths were never present in those audiences though there were many Siouxsie, Robert Smith and Steve Severin look-a-likes in the audience such that the later Goth scene adopted Siouxsie's fashion styling, and to a lesser extent Robert Smith's (the loose black jumper he favoured became an item of casual wear for the discerning goth, known in the parlance as a "Fat Bob"). 

I've known many goths who look like this:

From what I recall of the Goth scene in the mid to late 80s (and later during the resurgence that occurred in the mid 90s that persists to this day), neither band were adopted as bona fide Goth bands, they (along with a raft of other post-punk bands) have an honorary role and no one can deny their influence on the scene aesthetically or musically (even if it is only for a couple of albums).
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