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Topic: Albums That Ruin A Discography
Posted: April 23 2014 at 10:08

It reminds me of a Judas Priest photo in a tour promo.

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Posted: April 23 2014 at 09:58

irrelevant wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

<span style=": rgb248, 248, 252;">eh, the title track is one of the best things they did. The rest is mostly (slightly below) average.</span>

Although I much prefer their `proggier' earlier albums, `The Game' is simply a fine rock album to my ears, and `Dragon Attack' is a bit of a killer!

But, for me the real issue is the front cover! Lord, it's bloody awful!!

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Posted: April 23 2014 at 09:56

Want something bad to listen to? Try Strawbs' album Hero & Heroine In Ascencia (2011)! The singing is awful! It could have been an excellent instrumental album!

Edited by skreamer - April 23 2014 at 09:57

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Posted: April 22 2014 at 16:36

chopper wrote:

AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

The Final Cut ruins Pink Floyds list

Love Beach and the followup ruins ELP

Big Generator ruins Yes

Presto ruins Rush

now for the flaming - theres always someone out ther in a negative thread who loves even this lot!

Well, I was just waiting for someone to mention Love Beach and Big Generator.

Have another listen to "I'm Running" from BG and then tell me it ruins Yes' discography.

Hear hear on standing up in the face of the drubbing BG gets. For me, "Tormato" is much closer to a stinker overall. There just seems to be a pernicious anti-Rabin element on PA that I've never understood. Like he's to blame for Howe not coming back.

And further on a negative note, I'm surprised it took until page 2 to mention one of the all-time turds, Love Beach. What a disaster.

While I'm dissing albums, I can't fail to mention the ignominy of the last two Triumvirat releases. I didn't even finish listening to Russian Roulette.

And "Octave" was a horrible return for the Moodies.

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Posted: March 21 2014 at 11:08

I don't believe that an album can ruin a discography. It's more like a series of albums which show a big change in musical direction that bothers me. The best example to me is post-Duke-era Genesis. Maybe we assume that a band should stick to OUR musical preferences to preserve a perfect discography. That being said (or written), just to add an album to the long list you've made, I'd say that the latest Blackfield album is way below my criteria for it to be an excellent album: only 1 song is, to me, worth listening on the cd.

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Posted: March 17 2014 at 10:59

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Posted: March 17 2014 at 10:33

Svetonio wrote:

eh, the title track is one of the best things they did. The rest is mostly (slightly below) average.

Edited by irrelevant - March 17 2014 at 10:33

New album!
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 22:32

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 20:15

Horizons wrote:

Svetonio wrote:

That's a pretty awful pick.

That's a real head-scratcher, certainly. One of the best albums of the 80s. The only album better would be Melt. Wink

I would choose:

Jethro Tull -- Under Wraps (although the tendencies were clearly there in A)

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 16:56

Svetonio wrote:

That's a pretty awful pick.

Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 16:43

I think it's been said already, but I think it's pretty much impossible to ruin a good discography.

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 16:11

I agree with all who've said Love Beach. I'd go with Conquest for Uriah Heep. For Budgie i'd go with Impeckable.

Edited by Kentucky_Hawkwindage - March 15 2014 at 16:18

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 15:41

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 15:16

Hi,

NONE.

Even Beethoven had his bagatelles, so that's that!

No one is perfect and not every piece is loved by everyone, and as it has been said, someone's garbage is someone else's gold!

We don't sit around and say that Picasso's blue period is crap.

We don't sit around and say that Michelangelo's this or that is crap.

I don't see why we should start now with discographies for musicians, be they "pop" music or not.

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 11:26

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 11:07

As a hypothetical discussion, at least one rank turd could be suggested for many artists who have released more than a half a dozen or so albums and perhaps some who have released fewer. But really, do they ruin a discography? I don't think so. I would rather remember great bands for the great albums they made which gave me joy rather than lament that they made ones that didn't satisfy me. Yes, there have been albums of my favourite bands that disappointed me but I don't regret that they had to make them.

Edited by rogerthat - March 15 2014 at 11:08

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 10:51

Svetonio wrote:

If I was going to name an album that ruined Pete's discography, I would probably choose the second one. Sure I hate Sledhammer and Big Time, but the rest of So is pretty good.

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 10:49

uduwudu wrote:

However....I'm always in the market for someone to convince me I'm wrong about Yes' Yesshows (maybe 2 stars from me) compared to the universe I shower on Yessongs.

Open Your Eyes is still the only Yes studio album I have not heard, again lots of wind around but no water in the criticisms usually. Do I have to wade through more reviews before I can find someone who can give a reasonable analysis of the content?

Yessongs has so much good material. Yesshows has clearly substandard material, but it is played so well. I would take just about every Yesshows track over their studio versions.

As for Open Your Eyes, just go ahead and listen to it already. Fortune Seller has some darn good keyboard work by Khoroshev. He wasn't officially member yet but it's really good. Open Your Eyes is another good track, and listening to Universal Garden will at least prove to you this is authentic Yes for better or worse. As for the rest,ummm... well... how did you feel about the second half of Union?

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 07:40

uduwudu wrote:

I did this with The Final Cut. Never liked it and figured out why. It is largely not a rock album, it certainlly does not start that way. Ignoring the politics behind it's creation I found it to be highly intelligent but not a welcoming listen. DG gets quite a lot of solos (well five which is at least as many as TDSOTM but I've not counted those.

It's not really a sequel to The Wall but more of a focus on the least pop oriented aspects - the personal (George Waters), the new (Falklands War and the relationships we have with violence, conflict and balanced if always temporary resolution. So I find the music austere but interesting and well crafted.

I've often said that TFC is basically a dry run for Waters' solo career.

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Posted: March 15 2014 at 07:39

Tom Ozric wrote:

Not that it ruins a discography per se, but Giant For A Day was pretty weak coming from our beloved counterpoint Kings, Gentle Giant.

A decent enough ambitious pop/rock album but like Tom says, hardly the sort of thing we expect from Gentle Giant. Sometimes we have the unrealistic expectation that artistic integrity can be exchanged for food vouchers but everyone has to pay the rent and everyone has a shelf life in the fickle and volatile tides of popular music.