Albums That Ruin A Discography

I stand corrected.


Several people are into turds.


<this post is 100% serious and you should be offended k>


Edited by Triceratopsoil - March 15 2014 at 00:02

I wonder if anyone actually may think their opinion could ever be wrong (subject to insular group thought) and perhaps taking another view of music which is not created and recorded with the idea of being awful (Metal Machine Music possibly excepted.)

I did this with The Final Cut. Never liked it and figured out why. It is largely not a rock album, it certainlly does not start that way. Ignoring the politics behind it's creation I found it to be highly intelligent but not a welcoming listen. DG gets quite a lot of solos (well five which is at least as many as TDSOTM but I've not counted those.

It's not really a sequel to The Wall but more of a focus on the least pop oriented aspects - the personal (George Waters), the new (Falklands War and the relationships we have with violence, conflict and balanced if always temporary resolution. So I find the music austere but interesting and well crafted. 

Like I say not the usual top 40 pop prog fans claim to dislike. But it's easier to dislike something that isn't a challenge than to like something that is.

Not sure why the dislike for Big Generator - oh wait - it's not CTTE Pt30 is that it. Lot's of hate and hype but no reason.

Same with And Then There Were Three... what's wrong with that? No Steve Hackett? Franky I thought Rutherford and Banks did an excellent job of creating and recording some very imaginative and well depicted (lyrically) poems with plenty of atmosphere. Collins was only starting to get going but his singing and playing are exemplary. They headlined Knebworth with this album as well. They didn't get replacements but created from within. That's a bit different and worthy of some respect I think.

However....I'm always in the market for someone to convince me I'm wrong about Yes' Yesshows (maybe 2 stars from me) compared to the universe I shower on Yessongs.

Open Your Eyes is still the only Yes studio album I have not heard, again lots of wind around but no water in the criticisms usually. Do I have to wade through more reviews before I can find someone who can give a reasonable analysis of the content?

Oh, as for the overrated bit... hw does that make the music better or worse? (Verslibre, I'm not getting at you - this over rated / under rated thing is universal). This is largely people talking about their reaction only but gives little in the way of a precis for the potential punter. If one wants to taatck and like praise needs to be justfied. Just put oneself in the place of the artist and consider how you'd like some of the

Oh one thing about albums ruining a discog - if one album is so bad exactly how is the discog ruined? Has the "bad" music tricked across and infected other albums of music?

Yes, a bit of a negative thread, been a bit of that here recently. Still, it's nowhere near as bad as the Vote for your least favourite sub genre. The OP there claims it gets people to think about music. original idea and not exactly sure how that  is supposed to work. Some back-pedalling by saying it's "fun".  It's not, it is cruel, insensitive just sophistcated juvenile attacks on people whose being went into making music for the benefit of the fans. The lack of respect shows how low fans can go. There were one or two protests at this poll but many happily waded in. I think Pink Floyd made some observations about this mentality on Sheep (Animals, 1977).

With all the good these bands and artists do the least we can do is wave back at them, yes?

Not that it ruins a discography per se, but Giant For A Day was pretty weak coming from our beloved counterpoint Kings, Gentle Giant.

Tom Ozric wrote: Not that it ruins a discography per se, but Giant For A Day was pretty weak coming from our beloved counterpoint Kings, Gentle Giant.

A decent enough ambitious pop/rock album but like Tom says, hardly the sort of thing we expect from Gentle Giant. Sometimes we have the unrealistic expectation that artistic integrity can be exchanged for food vouchers but everyone has to pay the rent and everyone has a shelf life in the fickle and volatile tides of popular music.

uduwudu wrote: However....I'm always in the market for someone to convince me I'm wrong about Yes' Yesshows (maybe 2 stars from me) compared to the universe I shower on Yessongs. Open Your Eyes is still the only Yes studio album I have not heard, again lots of wind around but no water in the criticisms usually. Do I have to wade through more reviews before I can find someone who can give a reasonable analysis of the content?

As a hypothetical discussion, at least one rank turd could be suggested for many artists who have released more than a half a dozen or so albums and perhaps some who have released fewer.  But really, do they ruin a discography?  I don't think so.  I would rather remember great bands for the great albums they made which gave me joy rather than lament that they made ones that didn't satisfy me.  Yes, there have been albums of my favourite bands that disappointed me but I don't regret that they had to make them.

Edited by rogerthat - March 15 2014 at 11:08

Hi,

I agree with all who've said Love Beach. I'd go with Conquest for Uriah Heep. For Budgie i'd go with Impeckable.

Edited by Kentucky_Hawkwindage - March 15 2014 at 16:18

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