Does Iron Maiden really belong in only 'related'?

aapatsos wrote: richardh wrote: aapatsos wrote: ^ who says that in order to be progressive metal you need keyboards? It seems that you have not listened much to Iron Maiden since Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son are actually full of keyboards. Prog-related is a great fit for them. no keyboards are present , they actually use guitar synths but otherwise I agree with your basic point Tells you how little difference I find between keyboards and guitar synths... same result to my ears! Wiki says otherwise but would not take it for granted: Stylistically, Seventh Son of a Seventh Son developed the sounds first heard on Somewhere in Time, although, on this occasion, the synth effects were created by keyboards rather than bass or guitar synthesisers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh_Son_of_a_Seventh_Son#Personnel

Raff wrote: I will add something to what my other half has already admirably stated: the best new prog bands are very different to whatever stereotype of "classic" prog still survives, on this site or elsewhere. In fact, many of them would not even be called prog according to the "old" criteria. True, there are more than enough bands or artists that churn out well-executed, yet hopelessly derivative stuff for those fans who seem to be stuck in a time warp. However, the stuff that tends NOT to fly under my radar is very much of the "crossover" quality.

I will add something to what my other half has already admirably stated: the best new prog bands are very different to whatever stereotype of "classic" prog still survives, on this site or elsewhere. In fact, many of them would not even be called prog according to the "old" criteria. True, there are more than enough bands or artists that churn out well-executed, yet hopelessly derivative stuff for those fans who seem to be stuck in a time warp. However, the stuff that tends NOT to fly under my radar is very much of the "crossover" quality.

aapatsos wrote: ^ who says that in order to be progressive metal you need keyboards? It seems that you have not listened much to Iron Maiden since Somewhere in Time and Seventh Son are actually full of keyboards. Prog-related is a great fit for them.

Iron Maiden - No keyboards so NOT progressive metal.

micky wrote: richardh wrote: However I'm now wondering why Elton John is not included and perhaps a few other artists spring to mind. You may want to grab the nearest available 60ft barge pole. oh sure. there are a good number of artists that could, IMO SHOULD, be included here.  However I've taken my cue from Raff, or her from me as she knows my feelings on this, my days of trying to help complete what the site started, but never fully realized, are over. I have the scars to show for my efforts hahaha. I'm just here for the beer and chicks and to give cyber hot-feet to old friends, and new ones. However IMO the site is not a prog rock website, it LONG since stopped being  that, being thatt fully half perhaps more of the artists here have little direct connection to the prog rock scene of the 70's, they have been declared by some cat to be prog but really are more.. progressive rock artists. Prog like any musical form has its cliches and formulas and the 70's bands played that vein till it bled dry. That is why so many either moved on, or mutated with the times.  Recognzing that is what the site sort of slid towards but never fully accepted it, and probably kept its head in the sand while still thinking it was a prog rock website when very little of it is prog.  Leading minds, and I agree with them think that prog rock is merely a subset of a larger and much more diverse style called progressive rock. my two cents as always. More opinions than sense... but it makes the internet fun.

In the end, I'm glad the site is more inclusive and not restricted to "classic", "prog rock", "70s", what have you.  There's a lot of great music I've found here due to the site's inclusive nature.

yes

ghost_of_morphy wrote: richardh wrote: Phil 'the destroyer of prog' Collins must never be let in Remember this ten years from now when you go to the prog polls section and try to decide between voting for Marky Mark or for The Backstreet Boys.

richardh wrote: However I'm now wondering why Elton John is not included and perhaps a few other artists spring to mind. You may want to grab the nearest available 60ft barge pole.

oh sure. there are a good number of artists that could, IMO SHOULD, be included here.  However I've taken my cue from Raff, or her from me as she knows my feelings on this, my days of trying to help complete what the site started, but never fully realized, are over. I have the scars to show for my efforts hahaha. I'm just here for the beer and chicks and to give cyber hot-feet to old friends, and new ones.

However IMO the site is not a prog rock website, it LONG since stopped being  that, being thatt fully half perhaps more of the artists here have little direct connection to the prog rock scene of the 70's, they have been declared by some cat to be prog but really are more.. progressive rock artists. Prog like any musical form has its cliches and formulas and the 70's bands played that vein till it bled dry. That is why so many either moved on, or mutated with the times.  Recognzing that is what the site sort of slid towards but never fully accepted it, and probably kept its head in the sand while still thinking it was a prog rock website when very little of it is prog.  Leading minds, and I agree with them think that prog rock is merely a subset of a larger and much more diverse style called progressive rock.

my two cents as always. More opinions than sense... but it makes the internet fun.


Edited by micky - October 27 2014 at 18:31