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In favor of this blog, in December 2014, I made an interview with Smurph from NYC's band Pseudo / Sentai.
Here is it.
 
 
 
 
 Some people think that flame is finnally gone out and that the prog rock have no future, also that the unsigned & unknow prog artists would not release they albums online at e.g. Bandcamp but just a few CDs for their families and friends that is great to be released and so on. What you as a contemporary prog musician think about new prog in general and at the end of 2014?

I'm confused about you saying things about artists releasing things at home and not on bandcamp. I have known some recluse type musicians that only want to share things with their families and friends, but that's not an epidemic. Most artists want their statement to be heard in some form. And even the recluse types have sound clouds and they will share them when they want.

For me to speak of specifically 2014 is kinda silly. I don't keep up with the years very often. I check the "Suggest New Bands" and keep my eyes mostly on the Avant Progressive forum that Udi Koomran runs, but I'm more often discovering bands from 2012-2013 because I'll get so focused on my own music. But seriously I am excited about music now. I think every year since the early days of online streaming music (2004/2005/2006) has been the best year ever. Every year you have more bands, more groups, and more music. Now quantity can't compete with quality, but I will say that we have both nowadays

 

So much quality exists in fact, that most of my favorite bands don't make any money off what they do. There is an explosion of quality music but the music business is shrinking slightly every year. Still, as a creator of music myself, I know that if I never have a child and focus entirely on music, I will be able to create enough to be proud of my output before I die.

  What about the lack of prog acts at the major festivals? What's the major reason in your opinion?

There is a lack of prog rock at major festivals because there isn't a market for prog. There are some great modern extreme prog bands playing at festivals because metal has a market. There are some prog/alternative bands that play at festivals because there is a market for alternative music and if you're able to create memorable, catchy riffs while keeping the prog mentality there is still a market. There is still a market for prog related jam bands like Eumatik, Umphrey's, etc but I'm personally not willing to sit through 35 bad jam bands for 4 good ones.

I know there are some prog festivals that exist, like Nearfest (not sure if this is still going on) and there's a cool venue called ProgHouse in New Jersey, but for me the festivals that truly matter are the RIO festivals in France in Japan every year. I would kill to have enough money to go to those festivals every year but I'm too focused on my own music. I don't even go to more than one show a month at most. Very disappointing to miss all of those experiences but this is the sacrifice needed to create an output while working a full time job.

 Would you think that new prog will be regarded much better if some of the legendary, globallyknown, major festivals should be declared by the state as a cultural heritage, so the corporations that would be expelled from the organization of the festival and then the festival to be organized by, say, the ministry of culture of supposed country and financed fully by the state budget, and then, on that way, to make conditions that are needed that such festival host these carefully selected prog, psych and art rockers instead of just randomly choosen mainstream entertainers such as it is currently the case?

I have little trust for the way the world works. I only try to understand it so I can play along as much as possible without hurting others.

These festivals are tough to put together and I don't really know enough about the reasons why they are the way to are to really say too much about it.

 Bansheeface is a great tuneWhat other surprises can we expect from Pseudo / Sentai's new album?

Thank you! I'm glad you like it. Well, I feel that the album is quite varied yet much more cohesive than most of the stuff we have worked on. This is album that took 5 years to complete. Somewhere on the internet there is version of the album that is 5 years old. I'll refrain from sharing that. It was essentially the first thing we ever tried to record as a band, and we decided our ideas were beyond us at the moment. So we worked. And now we are here.

So to truly answer you, there are plenty of surprises but I must mention one in particular, an amazing guitar solo played by our friend Sawyer "Oak Sawblade." He did some guitar work for us on the album because Scott was too busy working out the much detailed and complicated lyrics and I was too busy working with session musicians to learn every part. He rode a bus down from Berkeley Music School in Boston and did the extra parts for the cost of a ticket and some food. He even bought his own food sometimes! But I told him that he could write his own solo for a section of this song of ours and he really went all out.

There is also some mellotron, quick and insane keyboard parts layered quietly underneath everything, weird moments, epic moments, and vocal harmonies out the wazoo.

I also have to mention we just finished recording out 5th full length and are waiting for mastering! This will be a busy year!

  We are the at the end of year. The best prog surprise this year in your opinion?

Oh man... I'm not sure. This year was pretty cool for music. I'm going to say PoiL's Brossaklitt was absolutely amazing. It's so catchy and hectic at the same time. And if you listen enough to where you can sing along, you'll never have some much fun singing along in your life. 

I will also mention A Lonely Crowd, who are ALWAYS awesome, and say I'm disappointed I haven't had enough time to listen to their whole album more than a couple times. Most of my music is listened to on the subway so I can't stream all the fun new stuff that I can't afford.

Also I will say that I submitted to the will of the Mollusca this year and cranked a whole lot of Slugdge. They might not be on progarchives but that's some solid prog blackened death metal. Very melodic and crushing, and every single song is about slugs. There are puns and beautiful lyrics covered in slime.

And seriously who can forget Knifeworld? Kavus Torbai is an idol of mine... I couldn't give enough respect to that guy if I tried.

There are many more 2014 albums for me that aren't from this year but that's just because I'm slow to catching up on things.

  The best prog debut this year in your opinion?

Umm... Wow... that's tough. I actually couldn't tell you off the top of my head. Most of the bands that I've loved this year had their albums released in 2012/2013 because I'm behind on music usually haha.

... Wow all the things I'm thinking were debuts are 2nd albums. Can I raincheck? Shocked

 Thank you for the interview.

No problem! Thank you!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 08 2015 at 00:06
For the forum's Anti Contemporary Prog Brigade, I would like to recommend the great new album by Crossover Prog artist Steve Cochrane; released at January 1st 2015, this is very first contemporary prog masterpiece that it's released this year. It seems that 2015 is gonna be a hard year for Anti Contemporary Prog Brigade;)












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Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


As in the beginning in late sixties, progressive rock is still to be underground. Now even more than in sixties when progressive rock bands were something unseen (unheard) before.

I think this is simplistic and not quite correct. If you watch the Tom Dowd DVD, and he goes back to the mastering of LP's right after WW2, you will find that there was a lot of music out there, some of it labeled "black music" that the movie studios almost killed inadvertantly.

Music was already an "experiment" then, but it was still in the classical sense, and that should be substantiated as NOT ELECTRIC. Most of it was accoustic, though some had a very basic guitar at times, but nothing as we know of jazz these days.

What, more than likely, and is my idea, brought out rock music, was ELECTRICITY ... which became the new thing for all the kids, since the classical and jazz thing was already taken up by someone else. So to speak!

That some music became "progressive", I really believe it was an honest extension of the time and the place and the ability to create something new, for which the likes of The Beatles, and the Rolling Stones, could be considered very important in helping expand everyone's ears.

But you are forgetting the MASSIVE literary efforts at the time, and the classical music elements of the time, as well as the artistic developments in the 50's and 60's that sprawled all over the world.

Now we have to factor in one thing ... TV and the media ... none of this stuff was really "visible" the world over. We did not have TV's in Assis and Araraquara in the state of Sao Paulo in Brazil. Never really saw any until the airport in Rio, and then in the airport in New York and Chicago ... culture shock ... you really think the rest of the world knew or saw anything? NO.  This was 1965!!!

America and some parts in Europe got TV's fast. Japan jumped on it immediately as you well know ... and the rest is history ... alll of a sudden you know there is a country called "VietNam", and a whole bunch of places in Africa ... not one PERSON ever heard of them before, unless they were avid readers of newspapers and then ... it was a blurb in 25 letters only! The "fame" that brought The Beatles and the Rolling Stones, and others to you, blew all this out of whack and ideas ... because all of a sudden they are the biggest machine in the business world.

But before things got "in control", there was a moment where the free form of things took off, and it was extremelly valuable and alive in the music business, which coincided with the incredible improvement in the electrical designs and work which benefited rock and jazz music, but killed classical music! And these experimentations, including the original FM radio fighting the AM top of the pops mentality, helped new music come around!


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... Today, the bands can release the masterpieces in their own production. ... Someone said, very wisely, that the time for the independent bands has never been better than now. ...

To me this is one of the saddest things ever. Reminds me of Doris Lessing, that came through the dark ages in Rhodesia and the days of slavery ... when she said that the folks that had the most freedom had the least ability to use it ... why? ... nothing to fight for, and nothing to believe in, so you make an effort to sound relevant and almost anything you say is ... so what? Few people said that about the stuff in the 60's ... except the stupidity of the flowers in your hair bullcrap that helped gave innocent people the many diseases of commerciality and bad press!

I love to listen to a lot of bands ...but I have a hard time telling you that Dream Theater, Iron maiden and other bands are "relevant" ... they are quasi ...if anything ... and this is the only part that hurts what they do ... it takes away the true feeling and emotion that drives your "revolution" along with many folks next to you!

This is what is missing today ... and a board like this only makes it even more visible, as to how immature and obsessive we are with putting everyone and everything down because this is better than that because it sold more and has more hits! And that other album sucked! And now we're calling it dark instead of fake and with makeup! There are some great musicians in there ... but then my computer can do the same thing and faster, too!

Social upheavel of some sort is ALWAYS at the front of most artistic scenes. You don't have to be a professor to accept and see that for the past thousands of years, it was that "awakening" that brought out what we know ... so the greeks had their revelations, then the roman times, then this and that ... and the 60's, though smaller in terms of time constraint, is probably one of the most important and significant artistic times of the 20th century ... we just do not look at it in perspective next to the other stuff in the same century.

We only look at all this as just another song. And until you stop doing that (not saying you do), this discussion will likely lose its strength... we can only make it bigger and better when the perspective shows how intelligent and important it was, not how many units it sold,or how much fame it had, and what it's rating and favoritism was at PA.


Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:


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A present day progressive rock is like a palimpsest painting. It's a hybrid like never before. ...

So if you played baroque music, or romantic music, or cubistic music, you would not be doing the same?

Reverse your idea? It's a mute point! There is nothing to learn there that you have not already seen or learned. But it is a very good learning point for many a young musician although they might not have any idea that their music resembles anything like that.

To create originality, you have to fight "labels". The only concern I have here is that we're essentially prohibiting any band from doing "progressive" ever again, because we are going to dub them crap and copy and more copy and it doesn't sound like Genesis or ELP.

We have to stop that ... because at that point it wouldn't be progressive at all, but copy!  There is nothing more "regressive" than puttin gdown your kids' music! Kinda means you are not listening either.  Many of us, in my day did that and I thought then, it was stupid.

Music is music! And for me music is AGELESS.
 
And more often than not, way better looking in its imagery department than most people that say anything will ever do/be for you!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 12 2014 at 00:46
Somehow I always perceived the connection between the vinyl and prog, and the same is with the ancient prog (original albums and re-released & remixed LPs) as with that new prog as well, so I've always believed that good old LP will experience a renaissance. As a fan of contemporary prog, I suggest to young prog bands who aren't in position to print both vinyl LP and CD that they would to neglect CD in favor of vinyl LPs; in my opinion, the right thing today for new prog bands is that combination of vinyl LP and full-stream digital album.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/money/the-biggest-music-comeback-of-2014-vinyl-records/ar-BBgF6m7?ocid=U219DHP

Quote Nearly eight million old-fashioned vinyl records have been sold this year, up 49% from the same period last year, industry data show. Younger people, especially indie-rock fans, are buying records in greater numbers, attracted to the perceived superior sound quality of vinyl and the ritual of putting needle to groove.



http://www.inquisitr.com/1661925/last-ripples-of-pink-floyds-endless-river-ends-with-record-vinyl-sales/

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Elsewhere, some of the last splashes of Pink Floyd are coming from the record number of vinyl sales The Endless River produced. Billboard Magazine covered the vinyl record sales produced by the last album by Pink Floyd and quoted Official Charts chief executive, Martin Talbot, about a month after the album was released. Talbot said,

The Endless River managed to score more first week vinyl sales in the UK than any album since 1997. Additionally, Pink Floyd’s contribution to the latter day deluge of vinyl has pushed the UK’s total vinyl sales past the million unit mark for the first time since 1996. … The Endless River sold a total of 150,000 copies here in its first week of release, which was enough to land them at number three on the Billboard 200 chart. We’re assuming at least a few thousand of those were vinyl sales.”






http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/vinyl-album-sales-exceed-1-million-in-2014-9887598.html

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The vinyl revival has reached a new highpoint, with 2014 sales passing the million mark last weekend, according to Official Charts data – the first time that milestone has been passed since 1996.

Whilst the music industry is adapting to a largely digital future, the attraction of a heavyweight 12” package, complete with artwork and sleeve-notes, has lured older record-buyers back to stores alongside a new generation of “hipster” collectors.

There are three re-released Led Zeppelin albums and two Pink Floyd opuses, including their new release The Endless River, in the 2014 vinyl top ten. Arctic Monkeys and Jack White are the top-sellers, confirming vinyl’s renewed popularity with contemporary music fans.









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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 03:29
It must be the world cup soccer who served as inspiration for the new prog revolution every 4 years, so the next one in this year. Prog on the Cloud or in your mobile...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 27 2014 at 02:54
Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

I agree that there seems to be an increasing amount of talented progressive artists coming out now as compared to the 90's and 00's, if perhaps none of them reach Steven Wilson / Neal Morse / Roine Stolt / Echolyn / After Crying etc. level.

Strictly bands that started or got real good in the 2010's: Ciccada, Sunchild / Karfagen, Lalle Larsson, Mars Hollow, Accordo Dei Contrari, Ske, Abrete Gandul, Gösta Berlings Saga, La Coscienza di Zeno / Luca Scherani, Haken, Dean Watson, Lifesigns, Henry Fool, Sanguine Hum, The Worm Ouroboros, Ingranaggi della Valle, Dynamo Bliss, Camelias Garden, Progenesi, Superdrama, Billy Bottle and the Multiple, Sky Architect / Chris

lol'd @ Dean's post.


Thank you for your contribution, King Crimson776. Well, these bands that were, in the past four years, released their magnificent debut albums, if they will release ther second, third, fourth, fifth album ...  I think that they will reach the great bands you mentioned above.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2014 at 06:42
I agree that there seems to be an increasing amount of talented progressive artists coming out now as compared to the 90's and 00's, if perhaps none of them reach Steven Wilson / Neal Morse / Roine Stolt / Echolyn / After Crying etc. level.

Strictly bands that started or got real good in the 2010's: Ciccada, Sunchild / Karfagen, Lalle Larsson, Mars Hollow, Accordo Dei Contrari, Ske, Abrete Gandul, Gösta Berlings Saga, La Coscienza di Zeno / Luca Scherani, Haken, Dean Watson, Lifesigns, Henry Fool, Sanguine Hum, The Worm Ouroboros, Ingranaggi della Valle, Dynamo Bliss, Camelias Garden, Progenesi, Superdrama, Billy Bottle and the Multiple, Sky Architect / Chris

lol'd @ Dean's post.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 03 2014 at 00:44
seriously... wtf?^^
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 15:17
Originally posted by ole-the-first ole-the-first wrote:

A couple of years ago, after 'Noctourniquet', 'The King of Limbs' and some stuff from Anathema I've been sure that the future of modern prog is in electronic music experiments.

But after Storm Corrosion, iamthemorning and 'The Raven That Refused to Sing' I see how symphonic prog with full-blown orchestras is getting more and more popular. A very sudden change (and I quite like it).

If you didn't heard yet, you have to check also an album from 2013 titled There's Always a F*cking Problem by Brooklyn's band Pseudo/Sentai, because this is very interesting contemporary prog indeed (btw, it's a band of our Smurph).





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 13:09
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

 
As in the beginning in late sixties, progressive rock is still to be underground. Now even more than in sixties when  Of course, a bunch of skeptical and (or) conservative personalities will always detract most of the new bands and their catalogues, they will always want to deny that the new prog revolution is occurred, and to minimize what is happening on that global progressive rock scene in the last four years. 







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Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

(...) Have you considered that it might be a generational thing, that so many new bands are turning up now because this generation has reached an age where they can go out and do this, and will then slow down waiting for the next generation to come along?


Well, not exactly. The generations are mixed now, as well as the styles.
For example, today I found a wonderful debut album titled And Now... by The Netherlands's progressive rock artist Martin Woster who was active in a prog band in 1979.



And Mr Woster is not an isolated case, on the contrary - there is a lot of veterans who finally have an opportunity to realize their ideas. By the way, generally speaking, the veterans have a higher propensity to melody than very young artists.




edit: Regarding these prog vets who released their stuff in '10s, I would like to mention the German artist Fuchs and his ingenious debut album Leaving Home from 2012







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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 09:07
Sorry to rain on your parade Svetonio, but how is this a blog?

Isn't it just a 'sneaky' way for you to recommend people the same stuff you do in every other thread?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 08:41
There were plenty of strong debut albums being released before then as well. Maybe there are more debut's being released now than ever before, can't say I'd know, but there's no revolution behind it, it's the culmination of 10+ years of gradual change in the advancement in technology that has allowed albums to be recorded on the cheap and still sound good along with the platform to showcase such music that has advanced along side it.

Have you considered that it might be a generational thing, that so many new bands are turning up now because this generation has reached an age where they can go out and do this, and will then slow down waiting for the next generation to come along?
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Even a living legend like Pete Townshend couldn't resist to contribute to the new prog revolution, so that his new song is a prog actually




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 07:24
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I respect your opinion and thank you for your contribution, but a huge amount of magnificent debut albums released in last four years denied what you said.


Just as a decor ... all of these three stunning tracks come from debut albums in different genres of prog ( I don't know what you like actually) released this year:














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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 06:25
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Then you just weren't paying attention. I know I've been involved in threads covering the exact same ground back in 06/07.
Yes, you're right - 2006 was a good year. Actually, it was a very important year for the new prog revolution that will begin four years later.



This is my favourite epic from 2006.

Meh, 2006 had plenty of good albums but nothing that I found to be really special (at least nothing that I've found so far).

There was no revolution. Things have changed on a gradual basis with the prevalence of home recording technology getting cheaper and better along with the rise of first social media sits like MySpace and then music specific sites like Bandcamp and Spotify. This has been going on and gradually increasing  so that it's getting close to being the norm over the last 10- 15 years, we didn't suddenly reach 2010 and somebody flipped a switch.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 05:20
I think that the "revolution" took place much earlier than 2010, too.
But maybe it got another upwind in 2010..

the great thing is, that prog is still growing and evolving, and there are always some bands, that sound fresh und innovative Smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 02 2014 at 03:33
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

Then you just weren't paying attention. I know I've been involved in threads covering the exact same ground back in 06/07.
Yes, you're right - 2006 was a good year. Actually, it was a very important year for the new prog revolution that will begin four years later.



This is my favourite epic from 2006.


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Then you just weren't paying attention. I know I've been involved in threads covering the exact same ground back in 06/07.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 01 2014 at 00:12
Originally posted by sleeper sleeper wrote:

This has been going on for the best part of 10 years now, if there was a revolution the it's already happened and your just late to the party.

00s? a sleepy decade which is pickled now?
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