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Was Genesis really that influential? Hello! I've seen a lot of testimonials lately on TV, web interviews, etc. where almost every group from Dream Theater to Metallica credits early Genesis as some sort of an influence. I did not think that the Gabriel era band, as good as they were, had anything more than a European cult following. Would anyone like to comment on this widespread retroactive following?

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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Was Genesis really that influential?

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I've seen a lot of testimonials lately on TV, web interviews, etc. where almost every group from Dream Theater to Metallica credits early Genesis as some sort of an influence. 


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I think I know what the OP is driving at - it's like the Velvet Underground.  If everyone who claims to have been a fan was actually a fan, the band probably wouldn't have nearly starved to death.
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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

I think I know what the OP is driving at - it's like the Velvet Underground.  If everyone who claims to have been a fan was actually a fan, the band probably wouldn't have nearly starved to death.


I agree....I cannot imagine that DT, Metallica were Genesis fans in 1974-76.
Probably more like 1982-1990 and then went backwards.
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...and the MC5's. 
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

I think I know what the OP is driving at - it's like the Velvet Underground.  If everyone who claims to have been a fan was actually a fan, the band probably wouldn't have nearly starved to death.


I agree....I cannot imagine that DT, Metallica were Genesis fans in 1974-76.
Probably more like 1982-1990 and then went backwards.
Just like me!  :D

But actually, I do recall that Genesis was extremely popular in Italy during the early 70s - and seeing the scene that came out of there, I'm quite inclined to believe that they were extremely influential, at least in that part of the world.


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Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:




Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

I think I know what the OP is driving at - it's like the Velvet Underground.  If everyone who claims to have been a fan was actually a fan, the band probably wouldn't have nearly starved to death.


I agree....I cannot imagine that DT, Metallica were Genesis fans in 1974-76.
Probably more like 1982-1990 and then went backwards.
Just like me!  :D
But actually, I do recall that Genesis was extremely popular in Italy during the early 70s - and seeing the scene that came out of there, I'm quite inclined to believe that they were extremely influential, at least in that part of the world.




I can only imagine the influence they had in Europe/UK....My first exposure to Genesis was Seconds Out in '77, I remember hearing songs off Trick/Tail, but Seconds Out pulled me in and I have never left
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...and the MC5's. 

 
THe MC5s?


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Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:


Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

...and the MC5's. 
 THe MC5s?
the Mike Clark Five. C'mon, keep up.
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^The Motley Crue 5 components. Don't ask me which are them please.
 
I'm figuring out what's the point: For a core prog fan the most successful prog rock bands were the most influential  in the whole rock and roll world - that's too much for my mindset, for I realized I'm NOT that core prog fan since I began to frequent this forum.


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If they are american then that's MC5:
 
 
  
 


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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by HolyMoly HolyMoly wrote:

I think I know what the OP is driving at - it's like the Velvet Underground.  If everyone who claims to have been a fan was actually a fan, the band probably wouldn't have nearly starved to death.


I agree....I cannot imagine that DT, Metallica were Genesis fans in 1974-76.
Probably more like 1982-1990 and then went backwards.


True, but the members of Dream Theater were just a bunch of kids then, and Metallica was hardly much older, with the possible exception of Cliff Burton. But I would agree that they probably backtracked from the popular 80's material. I think the only Genesis song DT has covered is Turn it on Again. Is that correct?
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Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

If they are american then that's MC5:
 
 
  
 
Yes, The Motor City 5. 

Sorry for the spurious pluralisation of the initialisms, I'm so used to seeing the phrase "MC5's Kick Out The Jams " I typed MC5s without realising. 

Anyway ... they're another band that seems to have had fewer actual fans than the number of bands that have since claimed to be influenced by them. (I was responding to Steve's post about the VU, José'spost slipped in between as I was typing).




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Rush certainly were big Genesis fans and from early on too. When I first got into Prog it just happened that I bought a lot of Neo-Prog and man there were many of those bands who sounded like Genesis or at least their vocalist sounded like Gabriel.
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Absolutely essential in influencing ENDLESS other prog bands - I mean, more or less a starting point for many Neo bands initially - but for music overall....I doubt it. The majority of the world probably remembers them as that `Phil Collins pop group'...
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Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

The majority of the world probably remembers them as that `Phil Collins pop group'...

And that's rather unfortunate as people who only know their 'pop' music will probably never experience this group when it was on the cutting edge of art music and creating music that blurred boundaries. Such a shame.
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Originally posted by Mirror Image Mirror Image wrote:


Originally posted by Aussie-Byrd-Brother Aussie-Byrd-Brother wrote:

The majority of the world probably remembers them as that `Phil Collins pop group'...

And that's rather unfortunate as people who only know their 'pop' music will probably never experience this group when it was on the cutting edge of art music and creating music that blurred boundaries. Such a shame.

I have a Genesis t-shirt I sometimes wear, it has a collage of all their album covers on the front with the band name at the top, and I've lost count of the amount of times I've had people comment `Cool, Genesis - "I cant Dance!"....    

I just think "These people have no idea...", and it's useless trying to explain. Usually they lose their minds when you start to mention Gabriel was in the band - "Peter Gabriel as in Genesis?!" Move along, people!

Occasionally some 50-60+ year old balding hippy will give me a knowing heads-up!

Edited by Aussie-Byrd-Brother - June 03 2014 at 21:01
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